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30-03-2015, 02:36 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(30-03-2015 01:58 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  As has been stated elsewhere, rain need not have been the sole source of water nor did the mountains need to stand at their present heights...

Since the Himalayas and Andes have been several miles high for millions of years and mankind is less than 200,000 years old,
I don't think your argument holds any water.

Quote:And has been stated elsewhere, you create circular arguments at TTA by asking me for scholarly citations then rejecting the scholars themselves.

We reject sources that are not scientific. Your whining is tedious.

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30-03-2015, 04:51 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(30-03-2015 02:25 PM)Jeffasaurus Wrote:  For the sake of argument, let's just say that water from subterranean sources aided in a global flood. The entirety of Earth is submerged with the exception of Noah and his nautical menagerie.
Wouldn't the Egyptians, Sumerians, and Minoans (who all existed before, during, and after the alleged flood) all have either been completely destroyed, or perhaps bothered to mention it in their records? If the whole point of flooding the Earth was to kill all of the humans (the other billions of animals were mere collateral damage), that would seem like a major oversight.

But... but... but... but... but... but... but... but... but... but... but God did it so it must be true. Maybe God destroyed the whole world but put a Star Trek force field around the Egyptians, Sumerians, and Minoans to protect them because they didn't count as part of the whole world because, well, the people that wrote the Bible didn't know about Egypt or Sumeria or Minoa. Okay, so, well, they sort of knew about the Egyptians because the Israelites escaped from there, except of course they really didn't... so... well, anyway, God did it so it must be true because the Bible says so, and the Bible wouldn't lie, would it? Well, would it? Errrmmm... maybe you'd better not answer that or CotW will accuse you of letting voodoo science get in the way of a good story.

And what about the dinosaurs, anyway? Good luck getting two of every kind of dinosaur on that ark, assuming they're unclean, because if dinosaurs are clean Noah would have had to get seven of every kind on the boat. (Does anybody know? Are dinosaurs clean or unclean? Let's see, anything with a cloven hoof that chews it's cud is unclean. Or is that the other way around? I can never remember.)

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30-03-2015, 05:04 PM
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Quote:And has been stated elsewhere, you create circular arguments at TTA by asking me for scholarly citations then rejecting the scholars themselves.

We reject sources that are not scientific. Your whining is tedious.
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30-03-2015, 05:30 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(30-03-2015 01:58 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  As has been stated elsewhere, rain need not have been the sole source of water nor did the mountains need to stand at their present heights...

And has been stated elsewhere, you create circular arguments at TTA by asking me for scholarly citations then rejecting the scholars themselves.

As has been shown by science, there is no evidence for a global flood during the supposed time of the biblical "NOAH". You are right that the mountains weren't at their present heights. They may have been "a few feet shorter" than now. Or maybe taller. It's hard to say because geologically speaking it's a very short time. But we can say, based on the evidence, that what are now mountains, were under the sea many millions of years ago. Rain need not have been the sole source. But the only other source possible for the biblical flood is "magic". And there is no credible evidence for that.

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30-03-2015, 07:46 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
FWIW, some mountains are growing, and others are shrinking. Erosion is constant, so once the uplifting stops, the shrinking starts. Everest, the tallest mountain today, is growing at a rate of between 0.15 inches and 2.5 inches per year, depending on which source you read. So six thousand years ago (approximate time of the supposed flood?) it would have been between 27,780 feet and 28,900 feet above present day sea level. Either way, it would take a shitload of water to cover it.

Some literalists like to say that other sources of water besides rain could have accounted for the flood, but the Bible only says it rained. Why would the Bible have left out something as important as "God magically caused more water to appear," or "God made water flow out of the Earth."? If the Bible is going to be your only source of information, then you have no basis for claiming any other water source than rain. For the water to rise 27,000 feet worldwide in 40 days, there'd have to have been 675 feet of rain every day over the entire world. That's 28 feet or 337 inches per hour.

Rain that heavy would have sunk the ark itself. Not to mention it's just plain preposterous.

Heavy rain over a wide area that all flows into a river basin can cause the river to overflow its banks and flood the lowlands. This happens all the time, in many parts of the world. When you are in that lowland area, it really does look as though all the world had become water. The authors of the Bible were just telling a story, drawing on the experience of flooding. That's why so many cultures have flood stories. It take a remarkable amount of gullibility to take those stories as representing anything other than natural local flooding

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30-03-2015, 08:56 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(30-03-2015 01:58 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  As has been stated elsewhere, rain need not have been the sole source of water nor did the mountains need to stand at their present heights...

And has been stated elsewhere, you create circular arguments at TTA by asking me for scholarly citations then rejecting the scholars themselves.


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30-03-2015, 10:45 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(30-03-2015 02:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-03-2015 01:58 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  As has been stated elsewhere, rain need not have been the sole source of water nor did the mountains need to stand at their present heights...

Since the Himalayas and Andes have been several miles high for millions of years and mankind is less than 200,000 years old,
I don't think your argument holds any water.

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31-03-2015, 05:29 AM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
Since Qlueless won't provide his sources, since he knows they will be rejected, I'll provide them for him:

Ice Cores and the Age of the Earth

This article was written by Larry Vardiman a paid shill for the Institute of Creation "Research". Larry Vardiman is so prestigious that he's in the Encyclopedia Of American Loons.

In the article, he really has no evidence that contradicts the ice core age, he seems to be confused in this article about ice core ages being dated by layered precipitation rates. They are not, ice cores are dated by a battery of at least 13 different dating techniques, some of which are cross-correlated with each other and even calibrated to known past volcanic events. He actually thinks he's so clever to figure out past precipitation rates could have been different than they are now so this would throw off dates. It could, so that's why scientists use other methods to date ice cores.
Q doesn't understand this, Larry Vardiman doesn't understand this, so Q rolls around like a pig in the mud of his delusion. He finds others that make up half-baked excuses for this biblical fantasy world despite the evidence.
So Qlueless can stick his fingers in his ears and stay in his fantasy land with his loony bunch of cohorts in their fantasy circle-jerk. This is his world, the world of delusion and fantasy.

Check out this informative video on how they date ice cores:




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31-03-2015, 06:53 AM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(30-03-2015 07:46 PM)daniel1948 Wrote:  Some literalists like to say that other sources of water besides rain could have accounted for the flood, but the Bible only says it rained.

From Genesis:
(7:11) In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

It is the "fountains of the great deep" that is used for the claim that it was more than just rain.

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01-04-2015, 01:49 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(30-03-2015 02:25 PM)Jeffasaurus Wrote:  
(30-03-2015 01:58 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  As has been stated elsewhere, rain need not have been the sole source of water nor did the mountains need to stand at their present heights...
For the sake of argument, let's just say that water from subterranean sources aided in a global flood. The entirety of Earth is submerged with the exception of Noah and his nautical menagerie.
Wouldn't the Egyptians, Sumerians, and Minoans (who all existed before, during, and after the alleged flood) all have either been completely destroyed, or perhaps bothered to mention it in their records? If the whole point of flooding the Earth was to kill all of the humans (the other billions of animals were mere collateral damage), that would seem like a major oversight.

What records? There is no date for the Flood in the Bible. The Egyptians existed not at all until they descended from Noah, likewise the other people groups...

...Almost every ancient culture, however, has a Flood story. Not a fire story, meteorite story... a Flood story. They DID bother to mention it in their records.

Now we have to consider whether the Bible is accurate and etc. Time to move on.

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