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20-02-2015, 09:03 AM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(20-02-2015 08:42 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(19-02-2015 08:17 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  I love countering that stupid assertion with, "where did all the water go" Consider

Oh, sadly, they have an answer to that. Sure, it's the type of bad answer one would get from reading a sensationalist headline and maybe the first two paragraphs of the article, and from not really understanding science, but it is an answer. To them. Ask them about the differences between liquid and crystallized water, and I'm sure you'll get some sort of mysterious-ways/God-would-know kind of answer.

What cracks me up is how far some of them will bend to present pseudoscience to prove that this all could have happened, only to eventually fall back on omniscience when backed far enough into a corner. I mean, if your stated position on the matter is "God magicked it up", why bother with all of the bad science?

Yeah I knew about that angle, pathetic.

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20-02-2015, 09:06 AM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(19-02-2015 03:03 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  ....... a giant meteor struck the Earth and caused extinctions. It couldn't have caused any geological faults, changes in elevation to mountains worldwide, nothing of that nature, of course... because we are certain that Everest has never changed elevation, ever. Hmmmm... that's not what I heard from scientists, ever.

Two things:
1) there is actually EVIDENCE of the meteor
2) the know the rate that Everest is growing now, and even IF the flood story were true, human history is older than the story and so are the Himalayas.

(19-02-2015 03:03 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  The Bible explains that in the end of days scoffers will stick to uniformitarian ideals and forget the catastrophes on Earth in the days of Noah. Be careful!

Maybe because the authors knew that in order to keep their hostages to keep getting money, they needed to tell them that people will try to convince them their stance is wrong.

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20-02-2015, 11:55 AM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(19-02-2015 03:03 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  because we are certain that Everest has never changed elevation, ever. Hmmmm... that's not what I heard from scientists, ever.

No not at all, it has just not changed significantly in the last 4,000 years because 4,000 years is nothing in geologic time. Mt Everest is rising at a rate of 2.4 inches/year. That would mean that 4000 years ago it was 800 feet lower which is not significant relative to it 29000 foot height (2.7% change). Even the amount the amount of water to cover the earth to a height of 28,200 feet is beyond impossible.
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20-02-2015, 01:29 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(20-02-2015 11:55 AM)Iñigo Wrote:  
(19-02-2015 03:03 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  because we are certain that Everest has never changed elevation, ever. Hmmmm... that's not what I heard from scientists, ever.

No not at all, it has just not changed significantly in the last 4,000 years because 4,000 years is nothing in geologic time. Mt Everest is rising at a rate of 2.4 inches/year. That would mean that 4000 years ago it was 800 feet lower which is not significant relative to it 29000 foot height (2.7% change). Even the amount the amount of water to cover the earth to a height of 28,200 feet is beyond impossible.

What is it with you and all this math? You're making it harder and harder for people to believe in the flood!
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20-02-2015, 02:09 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
Scientists have recently theorized that there is an ocean of water 400 miles beneath the earths crust. Of course, thiests have taken this information and claimed it's proof of a biblical flood however, there's no way to have an ocean of water 400 beneath the us suddenly come to the surface then go back down 400 feet again. Bringing all that water to the surface would cause most likely cause the earth to crumble.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/18456...times-over

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20-02-2015, 02:23 PM
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(20-02-2015 02:09 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Scientists have recently theorized that there is an ocean of water 400 miles beneath the earths crust. Of course, thiests have taken this information and claimed it's proof of a biblical flood however, there's no way to have an ocean of water 400 beneath the us suddenly come to the surface then go back down 400 feet again. Bringing all that water to the surface would cause most likely cause the earth to crumble.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/18456...times-over

*miles

And it isn't an "ocean" in the sense of liquid water sloshing around down there despite all those sci-fi classics about underground civilizations where dinosaurs still live (and they'd probably still be more plausible than Noah's flood).

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20-02-2015, 03:49 PM
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Mass......

IF the earth was "covered in water" 29000 feet (high enough to cover Mt Everest) and maintained orbit -- when the water mysteriously went away - earth's mass would change enough to alter the orbit.

Unless of course this "God" person has a blatant disregard for the habits of the physical universe -- which he supposedly created.

In other words -- if it happened - he's a cheating prick....

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20-02-2015, 04:13 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(20-02-2015 02:23 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(20-02-2015 02:09 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Scientists have recently theorized that there is an ocean of water 400 miles beneath the earths crust. Of course, thiests have taken this information and claimed it's proof of a biblical flood however, there's no way to have an ocean of water 400 beneath the us suddenly come to the surface then go back down 400 feet again. Bringing all that water to the surface would cause most likely cause the earth to crumble.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/18456...times-over

*miles

And it isn't an "ocean" in the sense of liquid water sloshing around down there despite all those sci-fi classics about underground civilizations where dinosaurs still live (and they'd probably still be more plausible than Noah's flood).

Unfortunately, the fundies have a vision of an ocean under the earths surface, now that some of them have read articles like these, and it's hard to erase it from their head.

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20-02-2015, 07:24 PM
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(17-02-2015 02:38 PM)Hurley4815 Wrote:  I'm not defending the flood story or anything. However, every time I've questioned it with my Dad, he always brings up that the Bible says the waters came up from under the earth in addition to the rain, and that we don't know what pre-flood conditions would have been like. Still, the entire story is completely preposterous.

The Bible makes a lot of claims but none of them can logically be evidence for their own truth. Lake varves alone prove that there was no global flood. Period. If you don't know what lake varves are just do a google search. They are fascinating. they are like tree rings only they are thin layers of sediment that collect in very deep lakes. They remain undisturbed except for things drifting down from the surface for millions of years. They record weather conditions and volcanic eruptions and yes local floods perfectly as well as soot layers from forest fires. They record minute changes in plankton and flowering plants by the pollen and plankton bodies that collect in each layer and they can also be used to cross check the accuracy of radiometric dating methods. Bottom line. The flood never happened. It is completely made up or at best a very embellished account of a local flood. If this story of the Bible is false then why should we believe any of it is true?

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20-02-2015, 07:33 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(20-02-2015 11:55 AM)Iñigo Wrote:  
(19-02-2015 03:03 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  because we are certain that Everest has never changed elevation, ever. Hmmmm... that's not what I heard from scientists, ever.

No not at all, it has just not changed significantly in the last 4,000 years because 4,000 years is nothing in geologic time. Mt Everest is rising at a rate of 2.4 inches/year. That would mean that 4000 years ago it was 800 feet lower which is not significant relative to it 29000 foot height (2.7% change). Even the amount the amount of water to cover the earth to a height of 28,200 feet is beyond impossible.

yeah, we shouldn't bring science into it, may cause people to lose faith in such a ridiculous fairy tale Big Grin

The conventional flood story states that the flood waters came from rain that lasted 40 days and 40 night right? Rain appears when the atmosphere can no longer support water in the vapor phase and it becomes saturated. So normally, the atmosphere is on the brink of saturation, and the variations in temperature and pressure caused by weather fronts are capable of altering the threshold at which precipitation will form quite easily. What about the amount of water vapor suspended in air needed for the 4.5 billion cubic kilometers of water needed for the global flood? The water vapor currently in the air is only around 2-3% on average, with a maximum of 4% limited by temperature and pressure.

The change in atmospheric conditions required to support enough vapor for 112 million cubic kilometers of rain per day - about 120,000 times more than the current daily rainfall worldwide - would have rendered the air unbreathable.

Indeed, the atmosphere really couldn't sustain that much water even under the most extreme temperature and pressure conditions the planet can produce. If the conditions were right for that much water to be in the atmosphere, humans and virtually every other animal would have drowned through the simple act of breathing, as well as turning the earth into the equivalent of a pressure cooker with atmospheric pressure at nearly a thousand psi instead of the standard 14.7 or so that we have today.

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