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16-05-2015, 11:40 AM (This post was last modified: 16-05-2015 11:52 AM by Commonsensei.)
Death Penalty. A Means to an End or A Sadistic Action?
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev the infamous Boston Bomber has been sentence to death. Utah plans to bring back firing squads. And Oklahoma wants to try asphyxiating inmates with nitrogen.

Crucifixion, Guillotine, Gas Chamber, Hanging, and lethal injection are just some examples executoin methods.

Dose this make us no better then the murderer that is being sentenced? Or allowing a Government that many people feel is to big call the shots on a persons life? When i was a teen in High School this answer was presented to the class. I took a strong oposition against the Death Penalty but I was the only one. Since then it's an idea that is often brought up, or rattles around in my head.

On the one side. Killing anyone against there will is in my mind one of the worst things a person could do. We get one life and to take that away is monstrous. I also thought that living with the knowledge that you took a human life would be devastating. (PTSD) for example. Then again there are Sociopaths that wouldn't even flinch. But keeping a person alive in a prison can get expensive $90,000 per year per inmate. That alone more then double what I make a year. This is also not including the millions of dollars in court fees, repeals, or retrials. So this in the long is very expensive.

According to the Legislative Analyst's figures, it currently costs $19,663 to provide security for inmates each year; $12,442 to supply them with health care; $7,214 for prison operations like maintenance and record-keeping; $3,493 for administration; $2,562 to feed inmates, clothe them and provide activities for them, including spiritual programs; $1,612 for rehabilitation programs and $116 in miscellaneous costs.

The Death Penlity

We have over 7 billion people on this planet. 7 billion human lives that at any moment can die because of a car wreak, Desise, even wild animal attacks. Right now as you are reading this someone has innevable died. And the same could be said about a person being born. The world continues to turn. The world dosn't cry over the death of John Wayne Gacy, or Aileen Wuornos. Just like I can't cry over those people I just talked about dieing. There not a part of my life. So when they kill Dzhokhar Tsarnaev; will i cry for him? No. He will eventually fade into the meandering parts of my mind.

I think us humans as one large pack. The better we work together the better our lives can be. And when we have members of this pack that start picking off other members this can be a major problem. When a Virous attacks our body the white blood cells doesn't contemplate it's feelings. They attack and destroy it! So that the cells that belong can survive peacfully.

So do I become like Dexter? A killer of killers. Dose this justify the action?

Death Penalty Information Center - Financial Facts About the Death Penalty: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
Mountain News - The Cost of Life Without Parole: http://www.mountain-news.com/news/crime_...002e0.html

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16-05-2015, 11:45 AM
RE: Death Penalty. A Means to an End or A Sadistic Action?
I'm generally against the death penalty, especially as it's practiced in America. In theory, I could accept it for murder arising from child molestation, or contractual murder -- in theory. But in practice, its application seems laden with racial bias, and the inability to redress a wrongful sentence adds to my disagreement with it.
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16-05-2015, 12:03 PM
RE: Death Penalty. A Means to an End or A Sadistic Action?
I've come to a more current opinion on it being rather outdated and not worth while doing. I think in the way industrialized societies work, it doesn't really help or improve anything to give someone the death penalty over lifetime imprisonment.

In other, mostly previous cultures, a thing like a hanging or Guillotine trip was a public show as part warning also I suppose some retribution or show aspect to it. I don't think that has any significant impact to be upheld by people. As I don't really see a physiological, social, or financial benefit to doing it, I don't support it these days.

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16-05-2015, 12:14 PM
RE: Death Penalty. A Means to an End or A Sadistic Action?
I would hope that if ever I were facing either death or life in prison, they would let me chose death. And I would chose death through nitrogen, it's a pleasant death, your body doesn't know there is no oxygen in the nitrogen. It would definitely be my choice.

IMO there are much worse things than death in this world. Whether you view death as the worst is an individual opinion. I most certainly do not.

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16-05-2015, 12:15 PM
RE: Death Penalty. A Means to an End or A Sadistic Action?
I have mixed view on the death penalty - part of me screams that murderers or those who rape childrens should be killed but the other part asks what purpose this serve. Retribution. Wouldn't better punishment be lifetime sentence? Death penalty as form of determent from commiting crime. Did it really work? And also one could ask if potential criminal knowing that such penalty could wait for him won't be more ruthless.

I have mixed feelings on this issue, but generally I think judgments should be more about resocialisation than retribution. After all criminals will some day return to society.

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16-05-2015, 12:18 PM
RE: Death Penalty. A Means to an End or A Sadistic Action?
(16-05-2015 11:40 AM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Dzhokhar Tsarnaev the infamous Boston Bomber has been sentence to death. Utah plans to bring back firing squads. And Oklahoma wants to try asphyxiating inmates with nitrogen.

Crucifixion, Guillotine, Gas Chamber, Hanging, and lethal injection are just some examples executoin methods.

Dose this make us no better then the murderer that is being sentenced? Or allowing a Government that many people feel is to big call the shots on a persons life? When i was a teen in High School this answer was presented to the class. I took a strong oposition against the Death Penalty but I was the only one. Since then it's an idea that is often brought up, or rattles around in my head.

On the one side. Killing anyone against there will is in my mind one of the worst things a person could do. We get one life and to take that away is monstrous. I also thought that living with the knowledge that you took a human life would be devastating. (PTSD) for example. Then again there are Sociopaths that wouldn't even flinch. But keeping a person alive in a prison can get expensive $90,000 per year per inmate. That alone more then double what I make a year. This is also not including the millions of dollars in court fees, repeals, or retrials. So this in the long is very expensive.

According to the Legislative Analyst's figures, it currently costs $19,663 to provide security for inmates each year; $12,442 to supply them with health care; $7,214 for prison operations like maintenance and record-keeping; $3,493 for administration; $2,562 to feed inmates, clothe them and provide activities for them, including spiritual programs; $1,612 for rehabilitation programs and $116 in miscellaneous costs.

The Death Penlity

We have over 7 billion people on this planet. 7 billion human lives that at any moment can die because of a car wreak, Desise, even wild animal attacks. Right now as you are reading this someone has innevable died. And the same could be said about a person being born. The world continues to turn. The world dosn't cry over the death of John Wayne Gacy, or Aileen Wuornos. Just like I can't cry over those people I just talked about dieing. There not a part of my life. So when they kill Dzhokhar Tsarnaev; will i cry for him? No. He will eventually fade into the meandering parts of my mind.

I think us humans as one large pack. The better we work together the better our lives can be. And when we have members of this pack that start picking off other members this can be a major problem. When a Virous attacks our body the white blood cells doesn't contemplate it's feelings. They attack and destroy it! So that the cells that belong can survive peacfully.

So do I become like Dexter? A killer of killers. Dose this justify the action?

Death Penalty Information Center - Financial Facts About the Death Penalty: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
Mountain News - The Cost of Life Without Parole: http://www.mountain-news.com/news/crime_...002e0.html

Nice cherry picking figures. It costs something like 3 times the amount to execute 1 prisoner than to keep them in maximum security for 80 years. Here is a link to a full discussion on this topic.


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16-05-2015, 12:22 PM
RE: Death Penalty. A Means to an End or A Sadistic Action?
(16-05-2015 12:15 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  I have mixed view on the death penalty - part of me screams that murderers or those who rape childrens should be killed but the other part asks what purpose this serve. Retribution. Wouldn't better punishment be lifetime sentence? Death penalty as form of determent from commiting crime. Did it really work? And also one could ask if potential criminal knowing that such penalty could wait for him won't be more ruthless.

I have mixed feelings on this issue, but generally I think judgments should be more about resocialisation than retribution. After all criminals will some day return to society.

I don't believe in punishment. I don't believe in evil. I think that some individuals have something wrong with them and need to be removed from society so they can't hurt anyone else. Whether they live in prison or die isn't of importance except to them themselves. I would happily let them choose.

I also don't believe in society providing a life of leisure and benefits to permanently jailed people. Nowadays, they can be given work via computer (no, they don't need internet access) and earn the money to get a tv or rug or whatever creature comfort into their cells.

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16-05-2015, 12:35 PM
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(16-05-2015 12:14 PM)Dom Wrote:  I would hope that if ever I were facing either death or life in prison, they would let me chose death. And I would chose death through nitrogen, it's a pleasant death, your body doesn't know there is no oxygen in the nitrogen. It would definitely be my choice.

IMO there are much worse things than death in this world. Whether you view death as the worst is an individual opinion. I most certainly do not.

I agree with you, should I have a choice i would want to go the less painless way possible.

But if we get a killer, that tortures his victims before their deaths. Should he get a easy one? Unsure

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16-05-2015, 12:35 PM
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(16-05-2015 12:22 PM)Dom Wrote:  I also don't believe in society providing a life of leisure and benefits to permanently jailed people. Nowadays, they can be given work via computer (no, they don't need internet access) and earn the money to get a tv or rug or whatever creature comfort into their cells.

That's what bothers me the most, we pay to have these criminals, these murders who took innocent lives to live in leisure while there are innocent, law abiding citizens out there who have to live out on the street and struggle to even have a meal. It's sick. Its why I'm for death penalty in extreme cases, not all cases though. These criminals made the choice to give up their lives and to commit these horrible crimes. Boston bomber made the choice to blow up bombs. He shouldn't get to live fancier than many people who have done nothing wrong.

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16-05-2015, 12:37 PM
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(16-05-2015 12:18 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(16-05-2015 11:40 AM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Dzhokhar Tsarnaev the infamous Boston Bomber has been sentence to death. Utah plans to bring back firing squads. And Oklahoma wants to try asphyxiating inmates with nitrogen.

Crucifixion, Guillotine, Gas Chamber, Hanging, and lethal injection are just some examples executoin methods.

Dose this make us no better then the murderer that is being sentenced? Or allowing a Government that many people feel is to big call the shots on a persons life? When i was a teen in High School this answer was presented to the class. I took a strong oposition against the Death Penalty but I was the only one. Since then it's an idea that is often brought up, or rattles around in my head.

On the one side. Killing anyone against there will is in my mind one of the worst things a person could do. We get one life and to take that away is monstrous. I also thought that living with the knowledge that you took a human life would be devastating. (PTSD) for example. Then again there are Sociopaths that wouldn't even flinch. But keeping a person alive in a prison can get expensive $90,000 per year per inmate. That alone more then double what I make a year. This is also not including the millions of dollars in court fees, repeals, or retrials. So this in the long is very expensive.

According to the Legislative Analyst's figures, it currently costs $19,663 to provide security for inmates each year; $12,442 to supply them with health care; $7,214 for prison operations like maintenance and record-keeping; $3,493 for administration; $2,562 to feed inmates, clothe them and provide activities for them, including spiritual programs; $1,612 for rehabilitation programs and $116 in miscellaneous costs.

The Death Penlity

We have over 7 billion people on this planet. 7 billion human lives that at any moment can die because of a car wreak, Desise, even wild animal attacks. Right now as you are reading this someone has innevable died. And the same could be said about a person being born. The world continues to turn. The world dosn't cry over the death of John Wayne Gacy, or Aileen Wuornos. Just like I can't cry over those people I just talked about dieing. There not a part of my life. So when they kill Dzhokhar Tsarnaev; will i cry for him? No. He will eventually fade into the meandering parts of my mind.

I think us humans as one large pack. The better we work together the better our lives can be. And when we have members of this pack that start picking off other members this can be a major problem. When a Virous attacks our body the white blood cells doesn't contemplate it's feelings. They attack and destroy it! So that the cells that belong can survive peacfully.

So do I become like Dexter? A killer of killers. Dose this justify the action?

Death Penalty Information Center - Financial Facts About the Death Penalty: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
Mountain News - The Cost of Life Without Parole: http://www.mountain-news.com/news/crime_...002e0.html

Nice cherry picking figures. It costs something like 3 times the amount to execute 1 prisoner than to keep them in maximum security for 80 years. Here is a link to a full discussion on this topic.


Thanks for the source. I'll check it out.

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