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23-01-2011, 04:16 PM
RE: Death penalty
Quote:Can I assume (without highjacking this thread) that those that are against the death penalty are also against euthanasia?
Death penalty = Killing as a punishment for a crime.
Euthanasia = Killing because the person can't kill him/herself and s/he wants to die and is possibly begging for it because of a painful condition.
I'd call forcing one to live under pain torcher and a human rights violation.

I can't see how one against death penalty would automatically be against euthanasia. Makes no sense, unless the anti-death penalty people in the US are mostly hippies.

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23-01-2011, 04:21 PM
RE: Death penalty
I am against the death penalty, not because I think it is cruel or unjust, but because I don't consider it a punishment. For those who believe that there is a hell, then the death penalty seems fitting, but since I believe that nothing happens once a person dies, I feel like the criminal has escaped punishment by being put to death.

I think that those criminals who we know are likely to re-offend and those whose crimes are so horrible that they deserve a lifetime in prison should be incarcerated for the remainder of their life. And, in the meantime, since they aren't contributing anything to society, and since they are considered by some to be a burden on society, we might as well use them for science. I had a psych professor who goes to prisons and mental institutions and he interviews pedophiles, rapists, and psychopaths to learn more about why they are the way they are. I think if we can learn more about criminals, we have a better chance of preventing crimes from happening and/or prevent people from becoming criminals.

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23-01-2011, 07:49 PM
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Good point, but is it worth the cost of keeping them in jail?

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24-01-2011, 01:53 AM
RE: Death penalty
(23-01-2011 07:49 PM)No J. Wrote:  Good point, but is it worth the cost of keeping them in jail?
I find price is a strange argument. We support Handicapped as well. If you think of criminals as socially handicapped you get a different point of view. But perhaps this is just a word-game...
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24-01-2011, 06:54 AM
RE: Death penalty
(23-01-2011 07:49 PM)No J. Wrote:  Good point, but is it worth the cost of keeping them in jail?

I remember reading that for most of the US the costs of trying to kill them is actually higher than just incarcerating them. I'm not sure that is true across the board, but in states that are not serious about having a death penalty then letting people run through the legal system for 2 decades and only finally executing a small percentage of them costs a lot more.

This is part of the reason my home state of New Jersey has just eliminated the death penalty altogether.

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24-01-2011, 02:59 PM
 
RE: Death penalty
(23-01-2011 04:16 PM)Kikko Wrote:  
Quote:Can I assume (without highjacking this thread) that those that are against the death penalty are also against euthanasia?
Death penalty = Killing as a punishment for a crime.
Euthanasia = Killing because the person can't kill him/herself and s/he wants to die and is possibly begging for it because of a painful condition.
I'd call forcing one to live under pain torcher and a human rights violation.

I can't see how one against death penalty would automatically be against euthanasia. Makes no sense, unless the anti-death penalty people in the US are mostly hippies.

I forgot I was talking to a bunch of Atheists. Smile Some of my Christian friends do not believe in taking someone's life for any reason. I guess that is where my head was at when I posted previously.

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24-01-2011, 09:16 PM
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(24-01-2011 02:59 PM)Mohanna Wrote:  I love hanging around with people that make me think through my beliefs or opinions.

One of the things I find so refreshing about this board is how open minded people really are. I frequent some other boards and there is so much ignorant foam-at-the mouth spewing, it's disgusting. Little or no rational discussion, just "I'm right because I said so!!!" Or "you're just stupid!!!" Not here. Smile

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25-01-2011, 01:02 AM
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When it comes to how people view killing other people, there is a huge discrepancy in all areas. I remeber one conversation about self defence and the defence of loved ones where the person I was talking to said he wouldn't kill an axe weilding, raving lunatic to save either himself or his brother, even if the cost was getting killed or watching his brother get killed (his brother was there at that conversation). I was dumbfounded.

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25-01-2011, 09:51 AM
 
RE: Death penalty
(25-01-2011 01:02 AM)No J. Wrote:  When it comes to how people view killing other people, there is a huge discrepancy in all areas. I remeber one conversation about self defence and the defence of loved ones where the person I was talking to said he wouldn't kill an axe weilding, raving lunatic to save either himself or his brother, even if the cost was getting killed or watching his brother get killed (his brother was there at that conversation). I was dumbfounded.

I've heard people say that too. One would think that self preservation would kick in at some point. Aren't we hardwired that way?

My opinion that is that no one really knows what they would do in any given situation until they are faced with that situation. And I believe no one knows what they would do the second time around either.
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25-01-2011, 10:02 AM
RE: Death penalty
I am for it in certain situations. If it was a serial killer that killed inoccent people for fun he or she should get the death penalty. However random situations in which someone just gets really angry and kills someone because of their anger then they should get life without perole.
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