Poll: Does the United States have a problem with guns?
Yes. Guns are signficant source of social ill in the US
No. Guns are not a contributing factor to the social problems of the US
Both. Guns are an issue in the US but are both a part of the problem and part of the solution
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21-08-2013, 10:24 AM
RE: Debate the merits of guns in America (poll added)
(21-08-2013 10:22 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-08-2013 09:48 AM)morondog Wrote:  Chas what's your stance on limiting capacity of magazines ?

I'm against it as I don't believe it solves any problem. Besides, the law currently allows the possession and use of magazines manufactured before the 'assault weapons' ban, and there are millions of those.

I can change a magazine in the time it takes to fire one aimed shot, so whether I have 10-round or 20-round magazines makes no real difference.

But it limits how many you can carry on your persons at any one time.

10 10-round magazines would take up quite a lot of space, perhaps only as much as 5 20-round magazines, but you have at least 10 extra if you've a 20 round clip in your rifle instead of a 10-round clip.

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21-08-2013, 10:30 AM
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(21-08-2013 09:28 AM)Chas Wrote:  The AR has a pistol grip and a collapsible stock. That is the only functional difference. Those 'accessories' do not make it more deadly.

Yeah, but it's also black and scary. Down with this sort of thing!

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21-08-2013, 11:03 AM
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LOL the OP has failed before this thread left the 1st page.

Most cops in the US, who bust in your house mistakingly and shoot your dog, don't even GET an initial pysch exam, nor do they get bi-yearly one after that.

Then he wants to limit magazine capacity and ability to buy ammo but want's people trained on safe and effective gun handling?
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21-08-2013, 11:57 AM
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(21-08-2013 11:03 AM)TheBlackKnight Wrote:  LOL the OP has failed before this thread left the 1st page.

Most cops in the US, who bust in your house mistakingly and shoot your dog, don't even GET an initial pysch exam, nor do they get bi-yearly one after that.

Then he wants to limit magazine capacity and ability to buy ammo but want's people trained on safe and effective gun handling?

Your proposed solution is ... ? Or you don't think there is a problem ?

Why not more training for cops and psych exams for cops then ? I fail to see how the proposed limits would negatively affect training on safe and effective gun handling...
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21-08-2013, 12:01 PM
RE: Debate the merits of guns in America (poll added)
(21-08-2013 11:57 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(21-08-2013 11:03 AM)TheBlackKnight Wrote:  LOL the OP has failed before this thread left the 1st page.

Most cops in the US, who bust in your house mistakingly and shoot your dog, don't even GET an initial pysch exam, nor do they get bi-yearly one after that.

Then he wants to limit magazine capacity and ability to buy ammo but want's people trained on safe and effective gun handling?

Your proposed solution is ... ? Or you don't think there is a problem ?

Why not more training for cops and psych exams for cops then ? I fail to see how the proposed limits would negatively affect training on safe and effective gun handling...

I just ignore TBK. He is nothing more than a troll. You'd probably be best to do the same.

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21-08-2013, 12:06 PM
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(21-08-2013 12:01 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I just ignore TBK. He is nothing more than a troll. You'd probably be best to do the same.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt... Tongue
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21-08-2013, 12:10 PM
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(21-08-2013 12:06 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(21-08-2013 12:01 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I just ignore TBK. He is nothing more than a troll. You'd probably be best to do the same.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt... Tongue

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21-08-2013, 12:13 PM
RE: Debate the merits of guns in America (poll added)
(21-08-2013 10:24 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(21-08-2013 10:22 AM)Chas Wrote:  I'm against it as I don't believe it solves any problem. Besides, the law currently allows the possession and use of magazines manufactured before the 'assault weapons' ban, and there are millions of those.

I can change a magazine in the time it takes to fire one aimed shot, so whether I have 10-round or 20-round magazines makes no real difference.

But it limits how many you can carry on your persons at any one time.

Not really. The magazines don't weigh much.

Quote:10 10-round magazines would take up quite a lot of space, perhaps only as much as 5 20-round magazines, but you have at least 10 extra if you've a 20 round clip in your rifle instead of a 10-round clip.

Twenty 10-round magazines will take up a little more space than 10 20-round magazines, and they will weigh slightly more.

The time to change magazines is very short. Yes, someone with 20-round magazines will be slightly more effective than someone with 10-round magazines.

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21-08-2013, 12:17 PM
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(21-08-2013 12:13 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-08-2013 10:24 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  But it limits how many you can carry on your persons at any one time.

Not really. The magazines don't weigh much.

Quote:10 10-round magazines would take up quite a lot of space, perhaps only as much as 5 20-round magazines, but you have at least 10 extra if you've a 20 round clip in your rifle instead of a 10-round clip.

Twenty 10-round magazines will take up a little more space than 10 20-round magazines, and they will weigh slightly more.

The time to change magazines is very short. Yes, someone with 20-round magazines will be slightly more effective than someone with 10-round magazines.

And what proponents of ammunition limits and magazine capacity limits are saying is, that decrease in efficiency may translate to lives not being lost, injury not being sustained, and increased frequency of reload that may mean increased opportunity for mistake.

Is a gun more likely to jam after a reload or during the same magazine?

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21-08-2013, 12:44 PM
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(21-08-2013 12:17 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(21-08-2013 12:13 PM)Chas Wrote:  Not really. The magazines don't weigh much.


Twenty 10-round magazines will take up a little more space than 10 20-round magazines, and they will weigh slightly more.

The time to change magazines is very short. Yes, someone with 20-round magazines will be slightly more effective than someone with 10-round magazines.

And what proponents of ammunition limits and magazine capacity limits are saying is, that decrease in efficiency may translate to lives not being lost, injury not being sustained, and increased frequency of reload that may mean increased opportunity for mistake.

That is a logical argument, but the difference is really small.

Quote:Is a gun more likely to jam after a reload or during the same magazine?

Actually, it is more likely within one magazine, and the larger the magazine the more likely it is. The spring tension is not constant over its length, so there can be problems feeding the next round. Thirty-round magazines are less reliable than twenties.

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