Poll: Does the United States have a problem with guns?
Yes. Guns are signficant source of social ill in the US
No. Guns are not a contributing factor to the social problems of the US
Both. Guns are an issue in the US but are both a part of the problem and part of the solution
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21-08-2013, 12:50 PM
RE: Debate the merits of guns in America (poll added)
(21-08-2013 12:44 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-08-2013 12:17 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  And what proponents of ammunition limits and magazine capacity limits are saying is, that decrease in efficiency may translate to lives not being lost, injury not being sustained, and increased frequency of reload that may mean increased opportunity for mistake.

That is a logical argument, but the difference is really small.

Quote:Is a gun more likely to jam after a reload or during the same magazine?

Actually, it is more likely within one magazine, and the larger the magazine the more likely it is. The spring tension is not constant over its length, so there can be problems feeding the next round. Thirty-round magazines are less reliable than twenties.

A small difference could make a huge difference.

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21-08-2013, 01:15 PM
RE: Debate the merits of guns in America (poll added)
(21-08-2013 12:50 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(21-08-2013 12:44 PM)Chas Wrote:  That is a logical argument, but the difference is really small.


Actually, it is more likely within one magazine, and the larger the magazine the more likely it is. The spring tension is not constant over its length, so there can be problems feeding the next round. Thirty-round magazines are less reliable than twenties.

A small difference could make a huge difference.

It could; it's just not likely.

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21-08-2013, 01:27 PM
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(21-08-2013 01:15 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-08-2013 12:50 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  A small difference could make a huge difference.

It could; it's just not likely.

How do you figure?

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21-08-2013, 01:29 PM
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(20-08-2013 07:23 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(20-08-2013 07:13 PM)Chas Wrote:  And you don't have fire insurance because you've never had a fire in your house, right?

Seriously? An argument about personal self-defense is all well and good. But it's not this argument.

"Armed insurrection will save us from The Government if necessary" is a ludicrous fantasy.

You have a few hundred thousand members of the armed forces against 80 million armed Americans. There's no doubt that government forces will kill a large mess of civilians in the conflict but they simply can't outlast we the people. Ba a simpleminded and myopic fool and disregard this at your own peril. There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass to greet Big Brother.

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21-08-2013, 01:32 PM
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(21-08-2013 01:29 PM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  
(20-08-2013 07:23 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Seriously? An argument about personal self-defense is all well and good. But it's not this argument.

"Armed insurrection will save us from The Government if necessary" is a ludicrous fantasy.

You have a few hundred thousand members of the armed forces against 80 million armed Americans. There's no doubt that government forces will kill a large mess of civilians in the conflict but they simply can't outlast we the people. Ba a simpleminded and myopic fool and disregard this at your own peril. There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass to greet Big Brother.

Because in the event of a supposed government takeover, the soldiers, cops, and every government agency will just side with the idea of slaughtering its own civilians?

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21-08-2013, 01:33 PM
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In any event, the way to prevent government collapse and takeover, isn't with a gun. It's with a vote.

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21-08-2013, 01:34 PM
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And there are at least 7 people who say guns are both part of the problem and answer. I still haven't seen anyone propose how guns can be used to help correct the problems.

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21-08-2013, 01:46 PM
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(21-08-2013 01:33 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  In any event, the way to prevent government collapse and takeover, isn't with a gun. It's with a vote.

What happens when the govt declares martial law and suspends elections?

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21-08-2013, 01:47 PM
RE: Debate the merits of guns in America (poll added)
(21-08-2013 01:46 PM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  
(21-08-2013 01:33 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  In any event, the way to prevent government collapse and takeover, isn't with a gun. It's with a vote.

What happens when the govt declares martial law and suspends elections?

What are you talking about? How is that a realistic threat? Do you really believe that both the political machine in the US and the military, would just stand by and let that happen?

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21-08-2013, 01:50 PM
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(21-08-2013 01:27 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(21-08-2013 01:15 PM)Chas Wrote:  It could; it's just not likely.

How do you figure?

The likelihood of a jam increases with magazine size, the delays decrease inversely to magazine size, so that may balance.

The delay between shots on a magazine change is very small, so the likelihood of that presenting an opportunity is small. There are probably other issues that are more important than this one.

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