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31-10-2012, 09:26 AM
RE: Definition of Atheism
(31-10-2012 09:24 AM)Impulse Wrote:  Well, I recently had this discussion elsewhere and here is my take. The original meaning of atheism is just as SomeOne wrote above. Given the structure of the English language that is the correct definition - lack of belief in god/gods.

However, I don't think the definition ends there and here is why. Meanings of words change over time. Take the word "gay", for example which originally meant "happy". Then people started to incorrectly apply the term to homosexuals. Today, "gay" = "homosexual" has become so commonplace that it's an acceptable and correct alternative meaning even found in dictionaries.

Many people (technically incorrectly) believe that atheism means believing no god exists. And it is commonplace for the term to be misused that way. Like it or not, there's no stopping this variant and I think it is therefore becoming, if not already so, an alternative acceptable definition of atheism. While not linguistically correct, it doesn't have to be.

What "incorrectly?" There was agenda involved. Dodgy

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31-10-2012, 09:28 AM
RE: Definition of Atheism
(31-10-2012 09:04 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  What HoC means to say is, this horse has been beaten thoroughly on this forum.

Ah well I certainly didn't mean to beat a dead horse. That's just plain disturbing behavior!

So how about this statement then:

“At least we Christians have evidences for God's existence, such as fulfilled biblical prophecy, Jesus' resurrection, the Transcendental Argument, the entropy problem, etc.”

“This is why atheists need to attack Christianity. It is because Christianity makes very high claims concerning God's existence, which challenges their atheism and pokes holes in their vacuum. They like the vacuum. They like having the universe with only one god in it: themselves.”

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31-10-2012, 09:30 AM
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(31-10-2012 09:25 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(31-10-2012 09:23 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  Hey, Hey, Hey! Kangaroo is fucking terrific, there is nothing wrong, with roo meat!

But they're cute. It's like eating kittens. Tongue

Cute is a matter of interpretation. Dodgy

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31-10-2012, 09:32 AM
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(31-10-2012 09:30 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(31-10-2012 09:25 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  But they're cute. It's like eating kittens. Tongue

Cute is a matter of interpretation. Dodgy

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31-10-2012, 09:33 AM
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I didn't say you did. I think I may have even started a thread some months ago about the definition game. What I (and others) meant to say was that there are a lot of threads that already address this issue.

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31-10-2012, 09:37 AM
RE: Definition of Atheism
(31-10-2012 09:28 AM)Darkish2010 Wrote:  
(31-10-2012 09:04 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  What HoC means to say is, this horse has been beaten thoroughly on this forum.

Ah well I certainly didn't mean to beat a dead horse. That's just plain disturbing behavior!

So how about this statement then:

“At least we Christians have evidences for God's existence, such as fulfilled biblical prophecy, Jesus' resurrection, the Transcendental Argument, the entropy problem, etc.”

“This is why atheists need to attack Christianity. It is because Christianity makes very high claims concerning God's existence, which challenges their atheism and pokes holes in their vacuum. They like the vacuum. They like having the universe with only one god in it: themselves.”

http://carm.org/is-atheism-viable

Well, there's yer whole problem, visiting sites like that. Ought to wash yer browser out with soap. Big Grin

It is not the definition that is up for debate, but rather the personal meaning. I go with the original usage, i.e. not accepting the gods of mainstream society.

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31-10-2012, 09:38 AM
RE: Definition of Atheism
(31-10-2012 09:26 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(31-10-2012 09:24 AM)Impulse Wrote:  Well, I recently had this discussion elsewhere and here is my take. The original meaning of atheism is just as SomeOne wrote above. Given the structure of the English language that is the correct definition - lack of belief in god/gods.

However, I don't think the definition ends there and here is why. Meanings of words change over time. Take the word "gay", for example which originally meant "happy". Then people started to incorrectly apply the term to homosexuals. Today, "gay" = "homosexual" has become so commonplace that it's an acceptable and correct alternative meaning even found in dictionaries.

Many people (technically incorrectly) believe that atheism means believing no god exists. And it is commonplace for the term to be misused that way. Like it or not, there's no stopping this variant and I think it is therefore becoming, if not already so, an alternative acceptable definition of atheism. While not linguistically correct, it doesn't have to be.

What "incorrectly?" There was agenda involved. Dodgy
Sorry, I don't get your meaning. Huh

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31-10-2012, 09:43 AM
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(31-10-2012 09:38 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(31-10-2012 09:26 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  What "incorrectly?" There was agenda involved. Dodgy
Sorry, I don't get your meaning. Huh

The way I heard it, the homosexual community actively usurped the term "gay" for their very own.

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31-10-2012, 09:54 AM
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(31-10-2012 08:58 AM)Darkish2010 Wrote:  It is actually surprising to me that we have a term for the lack of something that is often coined a "belief"

Oftentimes, people say atheism is the "belief" that god doesn't exist...it's sort of a double negative. We do not "believe" there is no god, we lack the belief in god.

Think of another widespread belief, say, Patriotism. The belief that our country is better than all the rest. Is there a term for someone that doesn't believe that? Terrorist? Idk, please discuss

Lack of patriotism is called cosmopolitanism.

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31-10-2012, 11:24 AM
RE: Definition of Atheism
(31-10-2012 09:43 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(31-10-2012 09:38 AM)Impulse Wrote:  Sorry, I don't get your meaning. Huh

The way I heard it, the homosexual community actively usurped the term "gay" for their very own.

Oh. If so, I hadn't heard that. But it's fine to remove the word "incorrectly" in that case. The rest of the point would be unchanged.

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