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22-06-2017, 11:53 PM
RE: Definition of "a reality"
I still do think this kind of thing holds some merit, simply because it demonstrates what lengths I need to go to in order to "model" what many woo people put forward. It shows the unnecessary level of complication and assumption that they are claiming to be factual, rather than just possibilities floating in the ether.

And of course, as soon as you've finished defining things so that they are out of reach: you've lost all possible rational reasons to believe it is real. You may as well just make up whatever unfalsifiable shit you like, it has just as much explanatory power.

This would also be a way of looking at the "multiverse" hypothesis, with all these parallel subrealities that are presumably self-contained.

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23-06-2017, 07:06 AM
RE: Definition of "a reality"
(22-06-2017 11:53 PM)Robvalue Wrote:  I still do think this kind of thing holds some merit, simply because it demonstrates what lengths I need to go to in order to "model" what many woo people put forward. It shows the unnecessary level of complication and assumption that they are claiming to be factual, rather than just possibilities floating in the ether.

And of course, as soon as you've finished defining things so that they are out of reach: you've lost all possible rational reasons to believe it is real. You may as well just make up whatever unfalsifiable shit you like, it has just as much explanatory power.

This would also be a way of looking at the "multiverse" hypothesis, with all these parallel subrealities that are presumably self-contained.

The is the old problem of evidence, of "proof". Falsifiability (Popper), Verifiability (Flew). Supernaturalism which is not seemingly verifiable or falsifiable is a fine gap in which to stick God. Then it's all a matter or argument by definition. And a side order of God is incomprehensible to mere mortals.

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08-11-2017, 02:22 AM
RE: Definition of "a reality"
for me reality is something that i can see and feel
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08-11-2017, 10:10 AM
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(08-11-2017 02:22 AM)MuntyJay Wrote:  for me reality is something that i can see and feel

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08-11-2017, 10:18 AM
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(08-11-2017 10:10 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(08-11-2017 02:22 AM)MuntyJay Wrote:  for me reality is something that i can see and feel

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08-11-2017, 10:35 AM
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(08-11-2017 02:22 AM)MuntyJay Wrote:  for me reality is something that i can see and feel

That would presumably cover things that you were hallucinating, though.

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08-11-2017, 11:17 AM
RE: Definition of "a reality"
(08-11-2017 10:35 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  
(08-11-2017 02:22 AM)MuntyJay Wrote:  for me reality is something that i can see and feel

That would presumably cover things that you were hallucinating, though.

Realities are consistent with other realities to a level of detail which is beyond our brains' abilities to create through imagination, misperception, or dreaming.

Plus when you hit a reality, it hits back.
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13-11-2017, 07:19 PM
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(17-06-2017 02:42 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  So how do we define a reality?

Definition:

"A reality" is "reality" prefaced by an unnecessary article.


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22-04-2018, 04:53 AM
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"The universe" itself is an ambiguous term too. Does it mean whatever happened after the big bang? Or is the parts of existence before the big bang, that became the big bang (it should really be called "the great superspeedy inflation" but that's less catchy)... is that the universe too?

As far as I am concerned, whatever happened before the big bang is either still the universe or if it's not the universe it's certainly still part of the same reality.

As for other universes or other realities, a unified theory still seems the most parsimonious to me. It seems to me that it makes sense to think that 'other realities' would still be a part of the totality of all existence (what I like to call "existence itself" (or indeed "the totality of all existence everywhere" or something like that)), even if they are disconnected from each other.

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24-04-2018, 05:38 PM
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(22-04-2018 04:53 AM)EvieTheTurtle Wrote:  "The universe" itself is an ambiguous term too. Does it mean whatever happened after the big bang? Or is the parts of existence before the big bang, that became the big bang (it should really be called "the great superspeedy inflation" but that's less catchy)... is that the universe too?

As far as I am concerned, whatever happened before the big bang is either still the universe or if it's not the universe it's certainly still part of the same reality.

As for other universes or other realities, a unified theory still seems the most parsimonious to me. It seems to me that it makes sense to think that 'other realities' would still be a part of the totality of all existence (what I like to call "existence itself" (or indeed "the totality of all existence everywhere" or something like that)), even if they are disconnected from each other.

Spacetime originated in the Big Bang.
There is no "before".

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