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18-08-2014, 07:26 AM
RE: Delusions make the human mind that more amazing
Bla , Bla , bla you are a troll Mozart link and writing bullshit wall texts will not change that.Hobo
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18-08-2014, 07:56 AM
RE: Delusions make the human mind that more amazing
(17-08-2014 11:18 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  People with either delusions of grandeur or the delusional belief in a God or afterlife should not be frowned upon because mental delusions are just one of the many amazing functions of the human mind. I'm sure many atheists admire the beauty of knowing how things scientifically work and such. Therefore, you should acknowledge the fact that anyone with a delusional belief has a beautiful scientific inner working of their minds and you should not frown upon it and convince them otherwise of their beliefs and such. I realize that atheists value the truth that there is no God and afterlife, but you should also value the fact that any attitude or delusional belief a person has is just something scientifically meant for survival. You should not try to change how things work according to science in this specific situation (which means not trying to change this person's beliefs). However, when it comes to the beliefs either causing harm to themselves or anyone else, that's when it's time to intervene. But other than that, if this person's belief just simply brings them personal pleasure in life, then it should not be frowned upon at all and should be acknowledged as an amazing function of his/her mind that makes this person that more amazing. I have delusions of grandeur and I don't have the intention of harming anyone or halting scientific progress.

Edit: There are innocent people here just living their own fantasy world not harming others or causing wars and we should just leave these people alone and never tell them the truth of reality as long as they are happy with their fantasies. We should encourage their fantasies to make them even more happy. If your attitude is that we should convince these people otherwise because the more people we have who realize the facts of reality, the more progress we have in science and such, then what if they never wanted to be that way and being that way makes them disappointed and depressed? Not to mention, some people don't even care about science and supporting it--they are just fine living their own innocent happy lives. Therefore, it's not worth it at all to tell them the truth of reality just for the possible sake of getting a more few people here and there to support science when the fact is that science is already being well supported by many people.

Even though I agree with the others that you are just trolling...I'll oblige you.

Given your premise that these happy idiots living in a fantasy land aren't bothering anybody and therefore should be left alone is of no concern or consequence of the furthering of scientific knowledge. Plenty a religious extremist has amply demonstrated that the knowledge of science and reality can be ignored and not interfere with their fantasy.

Remember, religion is the one that believes it is divinely instructed to spread its message (aka shove their beliefs down others throats). Science presents everybody with information and that individual chooses to take it or leave it. If one of your innocent, happy idiots fantasy land gets destroyed because he/she came face to face with reality in the form of science, well I guess he/she will just have to deal with the real world.
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18-08-2014, 08:27 AM
RE: Delusions make the human mind that more amazing
I think I agree with you. I don't bother people for their beliefs. There was a time when I did but no longer. I don't talk about religion unless someone else brings it up. I know a lot of people that are innocent and believe in god. I know many people that have an open mind and don't go around hating. They have religion and they believe in peace and understanding. My wife is such a person. I have no desire to convince her that there is no god or heaven. I have no desire to convince her that her dead loved ones are lost forever. She finds hope in her delusion and I'm not about to take that from her.
As long as folks ain't being stupid assholes why should I care what delusions they hold on to?
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18-08-2014, 08:27 AM
RE: Delusions make the human mind that more amazing
(17-08-2014 11:18 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  People with either delusions of grandeur or the delusional belief in a God or afterlife should not be frowned upon because mental delusions are just one of the many amazing functions of the human mind. I'm sure many atheists admire the beauty of knowing how things scientifically work and such. Therefore, you should acknowledge the fact that anyone with a delusional belief has a beautiful scientific inner working of their minds and you should not frown upon it and convince them otherwise of their beliefs and such. I realize that atheists value the truth that there is no God and afterlife, but you should also value the fact that any attitude or delusional belief a person has is just something scientifically meant for survival. You should not try to change how things work according to science in this specific situation (which means not trying to change this person's beliefs). However, when it comes to the beliefs either causing harm to themselves or anyone else, that's when it's time to intervene. But other than that, if this person's belief just simply brings them personal pleasure in life, then it should not be frowned upon at all and should be acknowledged as an amazing function of his/her mind that makes this person that more amazing. I have delusions of grandeur and I don't have the intention of harming anyone or halting scientific progress.

Edit: There are innocent people here just living their own fantasy world not harming others or causing wars and we should just leave these people alone and never tell them the truth of reality as long as they are happy with their fantasies. We should encourage their fantasies to make them even more happy. If your attitude is that we should convince these people otherwise because the more people we have who realize the facts of reality, the more progress we have in science and such, then what if they never wanted to be that way and being that way makes them disappointed and depressed? Not to mention, some people don't even care about science and supporting it--they are just fine living their own innocent happy lives. Therefore, it's not worth it at all to tell them the truth of reality just for the possible sake of getting a more few people here and there to support science when the fact is that science is already being well supported by many people.

The judgement should be what effect it has on Human Life Ultimately, in the long run. In the long run is it better to live in reality or a fantasy world?

If you look at a virus you might say this is amazing, just look at how this thing enters the blood stream and inserts itself into cells and gets its DNA replicated by the cell and new copies of itself made. You might marvel at the ability and the process but ultimately it is harmful because it destroys living cells that you nee.

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18-08-2014, 08:50 AM
RE: Delusions make the human mind that more amazing
(18-08-2014 08:27 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(17-08-2014 11:18 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  People with either delusions of grandeur or the delusional belief in a God or afterlife should not be frowned upon because mental delusions are just one of the many amazing functions of the human mind. I'm sure many atheists admire the beauty of knowing how things scientifically work and such. Therefore, you should acknowledge the fact that anyone with a delusional belief has a beautiful scientific inner working of their minds and you should not frown upon it and convince them otherwise of their beliefs and such. I realize that atheists value the truth that there is no God and afterlife, but you should also value the fact that any attitude or delusional belief a person has is just something scientifically meant for survival. You should not try to change how things work according to science in this specific situation (which means not trying to change this person's beliefs). However, when it comes to the beliefs either causing harm to themselves or anyone else, that's when it's time to intervene. But other than that, if this person's belief just simply brings them personal pleasure in life, then it should not be frowned upon at all and should be acknowledged as an amazing function of his/her mind that makes this person that more amazing. I have delusions of grandeur and I don't have the intention of harming anyone or halting scientific progress.

Edit: There are innocent people here just living their own fantasy world not harming others or causing wars and we should just leave these people alone and never tell them the truth of reality as long as they are happy with their fantasies. We should encourage their fantasies to make them even more happy. If your attitude is that we should convince these people otherwise because the more people we have who realize the facts of reality, the more progress we have in science and such, then what if they never wanted to be that way and being that way makes them disappointed and depressed? Not to mention, some people don't even care about science and supporting it--they are just fine living their own innocent happy lives. Therefore, it's not worth it at all to tell them the truth of reality just for the possible sake of getting a more few people here and there to support science when the fact is that science is already being well supported by many people.

The judgement should be what effect it has on Human Life Ultimately, in the long run. In the long run is it better to live in reality or a fantasy world?

If you look at a virus you might say this is amazing, just look at how this thing enters the blood stream and inserts itself into cells and gets its DNA replicated by the cell and new copies of itself made. You might marvel at the ability and the process but ultimately it is harmful because it destroys living cells that you nee.
First off, you would have no way of knowing for a fact if this innocent person's delusions would ever have negative consequences because any thought and such besides delusional beliefs (even scientific knowledge) might have negative consequences since science can be used for negative consequences. Since you would have no way of knowing, you should then admire and leave innocent people alone who have delusional fantasies just like you would admire and leave people who are scientists and atheists alone. But until this innocent person somehow decides to harm themselves and others and cause negative consequences (which might never happen), the happiness of these innocent people is the only thing that matters at this moment and not what others think of them and there would be no reason at all to tell them the truth of reality or try to convince them otherwise.

Second, explain how an innocent caring person would end up having negative consequences by having his/her delusions if the delusion is something without morals? I know that even innocent people with delusional beliefs in a God with the morals along with it would do something such as sacrifice others because they thought it was the right thing for God. But if you take away the morals and just have the delusional fantasy alone by itself, I do not see how there would be any negative consequences from it. For example, how would the delusional belief of there being heaven by itself without any morals have negative consequences if this belief is something that just brings this innocent person personal pleasure in life?
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18-08-2014, 10:34 AM
RE: Delusions make the human mind that more amazing
Where do you draw the line?

I personally have no objections to you believing that you're speshul and living in la-la land. But I can't say the same for serious drug users and alcoholics, who are basically doing the same thing = escaping from reality.

In both cases, the person living in a deep fantasy no longer contributes to society, but in fact becomes a burden to society. And that I object to very much.

I am of the opinion that religion falls into the category of fantasy. Your mileage may vary.

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18-08-2014, 11:11 AM
RE: Delusions make the human mind that more amazing
10 treads on the same stupid topic. 2 more and you get a free foot long subway sandwich.


Which you can shove up your ass.

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18-08-2014, 12:24 PM
RE: Delusions make the human mind that more amazing
(18-08-2014 07:23 AM)Mozart Link Wrote:  For anyone who will take the time to fully read my opening post (unlike some people here), I have edited some more information into it. Therefore, what do you think of that post now? Am I now right and no longer should be perceived as someone who is not intelligent, immature, etc.? If that's not the case, then please explain how I am wrong in my opening post.

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18-08-2014, 12:26 PM
RE: Delusions make the human mind that more amazing
(17-08-2014 11:44 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  I had a beautiful vision... That somehow, not a single person would respond to this guys thread
You say in the thread you hoped no one would respond to.
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18-08-2014, 12:28 PM
RE: Delusions make the human mind that more amazing
(18-08-2014 12:26 PM)wazzel Wrote:  
(17-08-2014 11:44 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  I had a beautiful vision... That somehow, not a single person would respond to this guys thread
You say in the thread you hoped no one would respond to.

I had already dashed his hopes, at that point he was remissing over what had been lost... Wink

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