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24-08-2016, 12:13 PM
RE: Despot Donald brags about pay to play
(24-08-2016 07:43 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(24-08-2016 07:33 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  BULLSHIT........

The problem isn't Hillary, the problem started with Reagan's deregulation. She is simply stuck with the long term lawmaking climate controlled by conservatives.

If you want big money out of politics, then don't give Trump a pass after he himself admitted to "donating"..... Cant have it both ways. Cant call it a donation when you want something but call it a bribe when someone else wants something.

Trump basically admits in that video what he really is, a fucking opportunistic asshole.

He is a fucking opportunistic asshole. But so it Hillary.

The point I was making is that while campaign donations may effect how people elected to office behave one they in office, they do not stifle vigorous political debate as clowns like you on the left would have us believe. They do not have as much of an effect on the outcome of an election as you think they do.

Bullshit..... GOP was attacking her long before she held her first office. She didn't start her career in a private firm, but as a public advocate. This is simply a fucking carry over of the bullshit claimed about Obama.

And again, whatever you may think of her as an individual, she has not nor would cause the same level of damage Bush Jr did in 8 years. Nor did she do anything close to the level of Reagan with Iran/Contra, or Nixon with Watergate.

She is not a dictator, nor will she be as president. She has seen far more dignitaries and business leaders worldwide than the hundred or so they are making an issue of. It is bullshit cherry picking. Every president sees tons of people worldwide, because it is their fucking job, and so do their staff, because it is their fucking job.

Trump is a fucking piece of shit who has stiffed contractors, and scammed money out of investors with his fake university. This is simply more of his year long bullshit throwing slurs at anyone and everyone to see what sticks.

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24-08-2016, 07:49 PM
RE: Despot Donald brags about pay to play
Say what you want about Trump. He's a businessman. He's never been secretary of state. Anything he could have done "lobbying" local politicians is nothing compared to what Hillary is now alleged to have done. The two situations are not even comparable.

If what they say is true, half of the people she had meetings with as secretary of state were donors to the Clinton Foundation. That can't be a coincidence. At a minimum it was highly inappropriate, if not outright illegal.

Even democrats are coming out saying this looks real bad. This is corruption at the highest level. Could this be the bombshell that Wikileaks has info on?

Don't make the mistake of thinking this is just another witch hunt. Politicians have been imprisoned for less.

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24-08-2016, 08:43 PM
Despot Donald brags about pay to play
Brian, I think you are the forum idiot. You argue the most ridiculous shit.

You should quit following politics and just watch porn. You would be a lot nicer.
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25-08-2016, 08:23 AM
RE: Despot Donald brags about pay to play
(24-08-2016 08:43 PM)KUSA Wrote:  Brian, I think you are the forum idiot. You argue the most ridiculous shit.

You should quit following politics and just watch porn. You would be a lot nicer.

And he'd still blame the NRA.......


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25-08-2016, 09:36 AM
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(24-08-2016 07:49 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Say what you want about Trump. He's a businessman. He's never been secretary of state. Anything he could have done "lobbying" local politicians is nothing compared to what Hillary is now alleged to have done. The two situations are not even comparable.

If what they say is true, half of the people she had meetings with as secretary of state were donors to the Clinton Foundation. That can't be a coincidence. At a minimum it was highly inappropriate, if not outright illegal.

Even democrats are coming out saying this looks real bad. This is corruption at the highest level. Could this be the bombshell that Wikileaks has info on?

Don't make the mistake of thinking this is just another witch hunt. Politicians have been imprisoned for less.

Don't believe everything the Republicans tell you. First, the numbers in the report were grossly misrepresented because there were over 1,700 meetings simply left out of the report calculations (how convenient). Second, the coinciding of meetings and donors actually can be, yes, coincidence. Why? Because many of the people who would be likely to donate would be the same people likely to want a meeting with the Secretary. Third, some of the email examples that I read that supposedly show Hillary engaging in "pay to play" show people who had donated asking for an audience with Hillary after the donation(s) were made, not before. The others didn't clearly show anything that pointed to wrongdoing.

Of course, the people pushing this "story" are the same types who claim Hillary is having seizures when, in fact, she's joking in a conversation. Rolleyes

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25-08-2016, 10:41 AM
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(24-08-2016 07:32 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(24-08-2016 07:25 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  Bull fucking shit. Just like a marriage it takes two. One to offer and one to accept. Now under our current laws it is legal, he is simply trying to say it is ok for a business owner to offer, but not a politician to accept.

You cant call it a bribe then yourself brag and call it a mere donation yourself.

If anyone is to blame for big money in politics then blame Reagan and the GOP for the deregulation they started back in 1980, and the GOP stacked court who allowed for Citizens United.

But he himself cant fucking cry foul while at the same time being a partner to a two party exchange himself.

And this also addresses a nation that has a very short term memory and gets stuck on one personality and that is bullshit because our government is a three branch system. If someone doesn't like what Hillary has done, that is not the same as it being illegal.

Nobody gets to blame her for the lawmakers, which have been dominated by the GOP over the past 36 years on average. Politics in shifts of power are never sudden overthrows but a baton that gets passed on.

And again, that bullshit artist has no business lecturing anyone after stiffing contractors and investors.

Trump is also the same asshole who claimed he didn't need donor money to run. But now that his free ride is drying up, he has no intent on spending any major amount of his personal wealth to run. He is nothing but a fucking con artist. The worst Hillary can be accused of is being stuck in a game she has to play because the other party has for 36 years controlled the narrative and set the tone for long term laws that we are stuck with.

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have shown that money in politics isn't as influential as you make it seem to be.

Jeb Bush and Hillary have both out spent Trump and Sanders yet they were able to hold their own.

Sanders is holding his own dick in his hand is that what you mean?
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25-08-2016, 12:04 PM (This post was last modified: 25-08-2016 12:25 PM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
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(25-08-2016 09:36 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(24-08-2016 07:49 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Say what you want about Trump. He's a businessman. He's never been secretary of state. Anything he could have done "lobbying" local politicians is nothing compared to what Hillary is now alleged to have done. The two situations are not even comparable.

If what they say is true, half of the people she had meetings with as secretary of state were donors to the Clinton Foundation. That can't be a coincidence. At a minimum it was highly inappropriate, if not outright illegal.

Even democrats are coming out saying this looks real bad. This is corruption at the highest level. Could this be the bombshell that Wikileaks has info on?

Don't make the mistake of thinking this is just another witch hunt. Politicians have been imprisoned for less.

Don't believe everything the Republicans tell you. First, the numbers in the report were grossly misrepresented because there were over 1,700 meetings simply left out of the report calculations (how convenient). Second, the coinciding of meetings and donors actually can be, yes, coincidence. Why? Because many of the people who would be likely to donate would be the same people likely to want a meeting with the Secretary. Third, some of the email examples that I read that supposedly show Hillary engaging in "pay to play" show people who had donated asking for an audience with Hillary after the donation(s) were made, not before. The others didn't clearly show anything that pointed to wrongdoing.

Of course, the people pushing this "story" are the same types who claim Hillary is having seizures when, in fact, she's joking in a conversation. Rolleyes

Who cares about her 1700 meetings with other government employees? That was her job. Her daily staff meetings, meetings with congressional members, foreign diplomats and the president are not an issue. The fact is, Hillary Clinton had 150+ meetings that weren't with those people, and over half were with donors to the Clinton foundation.

That means a majority of her non routine meetings were with her foundation donors.

We'll find out the nature of the meetings eventually, through the coming investigation or Wikileaks. But at the very least its obvious she conducted foundation business while on the clock, on the government payroll time, at taxpayer expense. She could have met her donors at her home, or in a conference room at a nearby hotel, on her day off. Doing her personal business while the taxpayer is paying for it shows a tremendous lack of judgment. Plus it looks really bad.

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25-08-2016, 12:25 PM
RE: Despot Donald brags about pay to play
(25-08-2016 12:04 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(25-08-2016 09:36 AM)Impulse Wrote:  Don't believe everything the Republicans tell you. First, the numbers in the report were grossly misrepresented because there were over 1,700 meetings simply left out of the report calculations (how convenient). Second, the coinciding of meetings and donors actually can be, yes, coincidence. Why? Because many of the people who would be likely to donate would be the same people likely to want a meeting with the Secretary. Third, some of the email examples that I read that supposedly show Hillary engaging in "pay to play" show people who had donated asking for an audience with Hillary after the donation(s) were made, not before. The others didn't clearly show anything that pointed to wrongdoing.

Of course, the people pushing this "story" are the same types who claim Hillary is having seizures when, in fact, she's joking in a conversation. Rolleyes

Who cares about her 1700 meetings with other government employees? That was her job. Her daily staff meetings, meetings with congressional members, foreign diplomats and the president are not an issue. The fact is, Hillary Clinton had 150+ meetings that weren't with those people, and over half were with donors to the Clinton foundation.

That means a majority of her non routine meetings were with her foundation donors.

We'll find out the nature of the meetings eventually, through the coming investigation or Wikileaks. But at the very least its obvious she conducted foundation business while on the clock, on the government payroll time, at taxpayer expense. She could have met her donors at her home, in a neutral conference room in a nearby hotel on her day off etc. Doing her personal business while the taxpayer is paying for it shows a tremendous lack of judgment. Plus it looks really bad.

I tend to be skeptical over anything wikileaks releases.


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25-08-2016, 12:37 PM
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(25-08-2016 12:25 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(25-08-2016 12:04 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Who cares about her 1700 meetings with other government employees? That was her job. Her daily staff meetings, meetings with congressional members, foreign diplomats and the president are not an issue. The fact is, Hillary Clinton had 150+ meetings that weren't with those people, and over half were with donors to the Clinton foundation.

That means a majority of her non routine meetings were with her foundation donors.

We'll find out the nature of the meetings eventually, through the coming investigation or Wikileaks. But at the very least its obvious she conducted foundation business while on the clock, on the government payroll time, at taxpayer expense. She could have met her donors at her home, in a neutral conference room in a nearby hotel on her day off etc. Doing her personal business while the taxpayer is paying for it shows a tremendous lack of judgment. Plus it looks really bad.

I tend to be skeptical over anything wikileaks releases.

Julian Assange is not a neutral player by any strech of the imagination. He is hiding in a South American embassy in London to dodge an extradition to Sweden on multiple rape charges. He claims it is politically motivated and that were he to go to Sweden they would then hand him to the US or other nations who he has stolen classified material from. So either he is trying to get a deal from Clinton to ease back on his legal problems or thinks that he can get a better deal with Trump at this point anything he releases is going to be lapped up by the 20% of the country that is still Pro-Trump and ignored by the rest. If he had something that was actually damaging and not just superficial he would have released it as it is much like the DNC's emails it will probably amount to 1 or two news cycles then be forgotten.

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25-08-2016, 01:05 PM
RE: Despot Donald brags about pay to play
(25-08-2016 12:04 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Who cares about her 1700 meetings with other government employees? That was her job. Her daily staff meetings, meetings with congressional members, foreign diplomats and the president are not an issue. The fact is, Hillary Clinton had 150+ meetings that weren't with those people, and over half were with donors to the Clinton foundation.

That means a majority of her non routine meetings were with her foundation donors.

All of those meetings, both the 1,700 and the 150 were part of her job as Secretary of State so I fail to see the differentiation.

(25-08-2016 12:04 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  We'll find out the nature of the meetings eventually, through the coming investigation or Wikileaks. But at the very least its obvious she conducted foundation business while on the clock, on the government payroll time, at taxpayer expense. She could have met her donors at her home, or in a conference room at a nearby hotel, on her day off. Doing her personal business while the taxpayer is paying for it shows a tremendous lack of judgment. Plus it looks really bad.

Obvious? So a leader from another country who, say, focuses on improving world health issues pays money to the foundation. Then that same leader wishes to have a meeting with Hillary to discuss world health issues and what their respective countries can to do help. None of this is Hillary's initiating, but she agrees to the meeting because it's her job as Secretary of State to do so. That's somehow "obvious" that she's conducting "foundation business" on government time? Sorry, not seeing it. Drinking Beverage

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