Poll: What do you ascribe to?
Determinism
Free Will
Compatibalism
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Determinators or Free Willies?
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14-11-2010, 06:20 AM
 
RE: Determinators or Free Willies?
I voted for compatibalism, since I believe we do have 'free-will' however it is very limited and restricted.
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14-11-2010, 11:10 AM
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(14-11-2010 06:20 AM)ziggy Wrote:  I voted for compatibalism, since I believe we do have 'free-will' however it is very limited and restricted.

Have you read the posts before this? There was a nice discussion on Compatibilism and Determinism just a few posts back, and a nice video posted on it. I really suggest you check it out if you haven't already. Big Grin

EDIT: BTW, please feel free to change my vote to Determinism if you can, please, guys! Big Grin

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14-11-2010, 11:16 AM
RE: Determinators or Free Willies?
(14-11-2010 11:10 AM)LeviTimes Wrote:  
(14-11-2010 06:20 AM)ziggy Wrote:  I voted for compatibalism, since I believe we do have 'free-will' however it is very limited and restricted.

Have you read the posts before this? There was a nice discussion on Compatibilism and Determinism just a few posts back, and a nice video posted on it. I really suggest you check it out if you haven't already. Big Grin

EDIT: BTW, please feel free to change my vote to Determinism if you can, please, guys! Big Grin

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01-01-2011, 03:55 PM
RE: Determinators or Free Willies?
Free will. (see signature)

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01-01-2011, 06:13 PM
RE: Determinators or Free Willies?
(01-01-2011 03:55 PM)The_observer Wrote:  Free will. (see signature)

Hoo boy. Here we go again... Tongue

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02-01-2011, 03:15 PM
RE: Determinators or Free Willies?
(01-01-2011 06:13 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  
(01-01-2011 03:55 PM)The_observer Wrote:  Free will. (see signature)
Hoo boy. Here we go again... Tongue
I might be totally wrong about the free will but i also know my limitations. My brain is to much of a blunt object to get the full concept of determination. However, without free will, there can't be such a thing as responsibility and without responsibility my morals are an empty box.
I need free will in order to deny a god.
There is something to say for determinism as well, I know. yet i cant grasp that concept.
You know what... call me religious on this point Undecided

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02-01-2011, 06:56 PM
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Darn I voted wrong, I'm deterministic >.>
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04-01-2011, 04:48 PM
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(02-01-2011 06:56 PM)TheKetola Wrote:  Darn I voted wrong, I'm deterministic >.>

fixed. Still shows you under free will, but the numbers are accurate.

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21-06-2016, 06:43 AM
RE: Determinators or Free Willies?
The argument in favor of free will has some serious problems:

(1) At the macro level QM probability has extremely small effect. As the author says,"Newton's laws of motion are deterministic enough to send men to the moon and back."

(2) The introduction of chance (probability) in the macro world would affect the future outcome. Human decisions are based on past experience and DNA encoding (also from the past). We don't have the ability to see into the future in order to make our decisions.

(3) The author's idea that quantum noise in the brain could introduce free will seems to me invalid. Noise (randomness) by its very definition carries no information and in fact would make decision making harder.
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21-06-2016, 06:27 PM
RE: Determinators or Free Willies?
(21-06-2016 06:43 AM)ronburch Wrote:  The argument in favor of free will has some serious problems:

(1) At the macro level QM probability has extremely small effect. As the author says,"Newton's laws of motion are deterministic enough to send men to the moon and back."

(2) The introduction of chance (probability) in the macro world would affect the future outcome. Human decisions are based on past experience and DNA encoding (also from the past). We don't have the ability to see into the future in order to make our decisions.

(3) The author's idea that quantum noise in the brain could introduce free will seems to me invalid. Noise (randomness) by its very definition carries no information and in fact would make decision making harder.

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