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13-10-2014, 02:46 PM
RE: Did Hitler win?
(13-10-2014 02:13 PM)Winterwolf00 Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 02:05 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I can accept that. The Nazis chose to employ this motto in their uniforms. That makes sense to me. But the atheist emphasis (delight) in persisting the myth of Hitler as an individual being more than a mere theist, occultist or agnostic, (or most anyone from his inner circle) being a born again Christian underscores that Christians are accurate when they say atheists "don't get it". "We know that no murderer has the spirit of Christ" in 1 John is just one verse that Christians would point to. Did Hitler forgive his enemies? Love others? Pray for those who opposed him? Did Hitler attend church weekly between 1939 and 1945? It's just silly, really...
So basically No True Scotsman.
You don't decide who is or is not a Christian.

This is not the NTS fallacy. Christianity is coming from the scriptures. The scriptures explain who is a Christian. One more example? No one who hates his brother is a Christian. Male Jews are to be circumsized (unless they are revisionist in their faith), Muslims pray facing Mecca, Christians love their neighbor.

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13-10-2014, 02:50 PM
RE: Did Hitler win?
(13-10-2014 02:46 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 02:13 PM)Winterwolf00 Wrote:  So basically No True Scotsman.
You don't decide who is or is not a Christian.

This is not the NTS fallacy. Christianity is coming from the scriptures. The scriptures explain who is a Christian. One more example? No one who hates his brother is a Christian. Male Jews are to be circumsized (unless they are revisionist in their faith), Muslims pray facing Mecca, Christians love their neighbor.

Then there aren't a whole lotta Christians. Drinking Beverage

And, yes, it is precisely a No True Scotsman fallacy.

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14-10-2014, 05:19 AM
RE: Did Hitler win?
(13-10-2014 02:46 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  This is not the NTS fallacy. Christianity is coming from the scriptures. The scriptures explain who is a Christian. One more example? No one who hates his brother is a Christian. Male Jews are to be circumsized (unless they are revisionist in their faith), Muslims pray facing Mecca, Christians love their neighbor.

Please, explain to me what makes a person a Christian using the scriptures in a way that cannot be invalidated by using other verses from the same book.
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14-10-2014, 05:44 AM
RE: Did Hitler win?
(13-10-2014 02:46 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  This is not the NTS fallacy. Christianity is coming from the scriptures. The scriptures explain who is a Christian. One more example? No one who hates his brother is a Christian.

Tell that to the writer of Luke: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple."

To be a follower of Jewsus, and therefore an Christian, you specifically have to hate your brothers (among other familial relations). Try again, Qunt. Drinking Beverage

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14-10-2014, 09:18 AM
RE: Did Hitler win?
(13-10-2014 02:46 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 02:13 PM)Winterwolf00 Wrote:  So basically No True Scotsman.
You don't decide who is or is not a Christian.

This is not the NTS fallacy. Christianity is coming from the scriptures. The scriptures explain who is a Christian. One more example? No one who hates his brother is a Christian. Male Jews are to be circumsized (unless they are revisionist in their faith), Muslims pray facing Mecca, Christians love their neighbor.
noun: Christian · plural noun: Christians

a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
Ethics have nothing to do with it, and yes it is a perfect example of the NTS fallacy.

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14-10-2014, 09:49 AM
RE: Did Hitler win?
(14-10-2014 05:19 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 02:46 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  This is not the NTS fallacy. Christianity is coming from the scriptures. The scriptures explain who is a Christian. One more example? No one who hates his brother is a Christian. Male Jews are to be circumsized (unless they are revisionist in their faith), Muslims pray facing Mecca, Christians love their neighbor.

Please, explain to me what makes a person a Christian using the scriptures in a way that cannot be invalidated by using other verses from the same book.

One example might include John's 3rd chapter. A lot of nominal Christian converse with me and say, "Now, I'm not a born again Christian, but..." Jesus said you have to be born again to get to Heaven. The dictionary definition of Christian is "follower of Jesus". He said "be born again". The nominal Christian is saying, "I follow Jesus from my own mind rather than from the scriptures..."

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14-10-2014, 10:26 AM
RE: Did Hitler win?
(14-10-2014 09:49 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(14-10-2014 05:19 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Please, explain to me what makes a person a Christian using the scriptures in a way that cannot be invalidated by using other verses from the same book.

One example might include John's 3rd chapter. A lot of nominal Christian converse with me and say, "Now, I'm not a born again Christian, but..." Jesus said you have to be born again to get to Heaven. The dictionary definition of Christian is "follower of Jesus". He said "be born again". The nominal Christian is saying, "I follow Jesus from my own mind rather than from the scriptures..."

So you're confusing a denomination with a metaphor?
I see where the rest of your confusion comes from.

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14-10-2014, 10:47 AM
RE: Did Hitler win?
(14-10-2014 10:26 AM)Winterwolf00 Wrote:  
(14-10-2014 09:49 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  One example might include John's 3rd chapter. A lot of nominal Christian converse with me and say, "Now, I'm not a born again Christian, but..." Jesus said you have to be born again to get to Heaven. The dictionary definition of Christian is "follower of Jesus". He said "be born again". The nominal Christian is saying, "I follow Jesus from my own mind rather than from the scriptures..."

So you're confusing a denomination with a metaphor?
I see where the rest of your confusion comes from.

I'm confused at times like everyone else, but I love and adhere to the scripture. Jesus said NO ONE unless they are born again. NO ONE means one cannot claim to be both a Christian who is heaven-bound and not born again. "No one" isn't a metaphor, it's a boundary/definition.

It's seeing a Hitler in the same camp with a Billy Graham or etc. that causes the confusion IMO.

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14-10-2014, 10:51 AM
RE: Did Hitler win?
(14-10-2014 10:47 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(14-10-2014 10:26 AM)Winterwolf00 Wrote:  So you're confusing a denomination with a metaphor?
I see where the rest of your confusion comes from.

I'm confused at times like everyone else, but I love and adhere to the scripture. Jesus said NO ONE unless they are born again. NO ONE means one cannot claim to be both a Christian who is heaven-bound and not born again. "No one" isn't a metaphor, it's a boundary/definition.

It's seeing a Hitler in the same camp with a Billy Graham or etc. that causes the confusion IMO.

Really cause they share an almost identical outlook. Hitler was a Catholic in good standing at the time of his death, so unless Catholics are not Christians (and they have a much better claim to the title than do Protestants historically speaking) trying to exclude him is a NTS fallacy.

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14-10-2014, 11:12 AM
RE: Did Hitler win?
(14-10-2014 09:49 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  One example might include John's 3rd chapter. A lot of nominal Christian converse with me and say, "Now, I'm not a born again Christian, but..." Jesus said you have to be born again to get to Heaven. The dictionary definition of Christian is "follower of Jesus". He said "be born again". The nominal Christian is saying, "I follow Jesus from my own mind rather than from the scriptures..."

And Hitler wasn't born again? You know this how?

Or is being a Christian more than just that one thing?
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