Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
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03-11-2014, 03:33 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 03:17 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 03:06 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  WOW... you really DONT know a thing about this.

What do you claim are the "oldest manuscripts"? What are they called?

Can you even Google?

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Rylands Library Papyrus P52

The oldest scrap of papyrus that we can identify as being a piece of the New Testament is a 3.5 by 2.5 scrap of what appears to be a piece of John 18:31–33, 37–38, with a rough date of ~125 CE. So it a scrap the size of a credit card, and even this would be dated at best to decades after the supposed events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rylands_Lib...apyrus_P52
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New...ent_papyri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_manuscript

Wow you didn't even understand the question... shows how uneducated you are in this... PLUS youre just wrong on many levels here

1) http://vridar.org/2013/03/08/new-date-fo...pyrus-p52/
Quote:For P52 we find:
•Comfort-Barrett: 100-125
•Jaroš: 80-125
•Nestle-Aland: 100-150

In other words it can be as early as 80 AD

2) Nice googling, but you didnt google enough... p 52 is not longer the oldest fragment. Now the oldest fragment comes from Mark and dates as early as 50 AD.

3) You don't even know what I mean when I say I want the most popular and widespread manuscript types... from the first to the 4th century. What are they?

4) Give me their ages and where they were found?

You got all the above wrong, lets see how much more you can get wrong Smile
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03-11-2014, 03:34 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 03:17 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 03:13 AM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  Your guestamation of the origins are no more correct than anyone else's.

Origins of what o ass whipped child? And if you are referring to scriptures yes I am much more educated on the subject than you, and its made apparent by all your comments.

Give me the history of the manuscripts in 3 paragraphs or less. and show me what you know :)

Listen little fella, you're trying to argue the points of a story I do not believe in the least. Then you cherry-pick the parts you need at the moment.
You might as well be arguing the finer points of Cinderella for all I care.
Now, go to bed before your mom finds out you're up so late.
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03-11-2014, 03:35 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 03:17 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 03:06 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  WOW... you really DONT know a thing about this.

What do you claim are the "oldest manuscripts"? What are they called?

Can you even Google?

[Image: 800px-Rylands_papyrus.jpg]

Rylands Library Papyrus P52

The oldest scrap of papyrus that we can identify as being a piece of the New Testament is a 3.5 by 2.5 inch scrap of what appears to be a part of John 18:31–33, 37–38, with a rough date of ~125 CE. So its a scrap the size of a credit card, and even this would be dated at best to decades after the supposed events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rylands_Lib...apyrus_P52
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New...ent_papyri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_manuscript

Wrong again... I didn't ask you for the oldest MANUSCRIPT... I asked you for the oldest manuscriptS... as in types Smile Give me the types from the first to the 4th century and their order and ages and locations... I CAN do that Smile You didn't even know what I meant Smile
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03-11-2014, 03:38 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 03:34 AM)pablo Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 03:17 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  Origins of what o ass whipped child? And if you are referring to scriptures yes I am much more educated on the subject than you, and its made apparent by all your comments.

Give me the history of the manuscripts in 3 paragraphs or less. and show me what you know Smile

Listen little fella, you're trying to argue the points of a story I do not believe in the least. Then you cherry-pick the parts you need at the moment.
You might as well be arguing the finer points of Cinderella for all I care.
Now, go to bed before your mom finds out you're up so late.

Says the little fella that cant put on his big boy pants and tell me the history of the early manuscripts before the 4th century. And cant even tell me if he would let his children die in slavery or buy them back
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03-11-2014, 03:43 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
Does it really matter how old the bullshit is or its exact point of origin?

Just cause I can tell you there is a dog turd precisely 17 feet from my porch due North, doesn't make the turd special. And I could be lying.
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03-11-2014, 03:44 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 03:38 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 03:34 AM)pablo Wrote:  Listen little fella, you're trying to argue the points of a story I do not believe in the least. Then you cherry-pick the parts you need at the moment.
You might as well be arguing the finer points of Cinderella for all I care.
Now, go to bed before your mom finds out you're up so late.

Says the little fella that cant put on his big boy pants and tell me the history of the early manuscripts before the 4th century. And cant even tell me if he would let his children die in slavery or buy them back

I don't care! Can't you understand that?
It's all bullshit, and you're a gullible idiot for believing it!
I'm really done with you now, so tell me I'm going to hell and move on.
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03-11-2014, 04:12 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 03:33 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 03:17 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Can you even Google?

[Image: 800px-Rylands_papyrus.jpg]

Rylands Library Papyrus P52

The oldest scrap of papyrus that we can identify as being a piece of the New Testament is a 3.5 by 2.5 scrap of what appears to be a piece of John 18:31–33, 37–38, with a rough date of ~125 CE. So it a scrap the size of a credit card, and even this would be dated at best to decades after the supposed events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rylands_Lib...apyrus_P52
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New...ent_papyri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_manuscript

Wow you didn't even understand the question... shows how uneducated you are in this... PLUS youre just wrong on many levels here

1) http://vridar.org/2013/03/08/new-date-fo...pyrus-p52/
Quote:For P52 we find:
•Comfort-Barrett: 100-125
•Jaroš: 80-125
•Nestle-Aland: 100-150

In other words it can be as early as 80 AD

Except that it's the earliest out of a set of contested dates. Even at this earliest, it's still 5 decades, or a few generations, after the supposed events. Still doesn't even get you remotely close to eye-witness testimony.


(03-11-2014 03:33 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  2) Nice googling, but you didnt google enough... p 52 is not longer the oldest fragment. Now the oldest fragment comes from Mark and dates as early as 50 AD.

And yet no citation.


(03-11-2014 03:33 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  3) You don't even know what I mean when I say I want the most popular and widespread manuscript types... from the first to the 4th century. What are they?

You never specified that, this is you just trying to post hoc something to whine about.


(03-11-2014 03:33 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  4) Give me their ages and where they were found?

Clearly you have Google, and yet you're unable to cite anything. Curious.


(03-11-2014 03:33 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  You got all the above wrong, lets see how much more you can get wrong Smile

I got nothing wrong. P52 is, as far as I know (since you failed to present any evidence) is the oldest fragment. It is just that, a fragment, with a rough date of 125 CE (with 125 CE being the latest date they agree on). Still not a whole codex, still not an eye-witness account, still not within the time of the supposed events.

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03-11-2014, 04:14 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 03:35 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 03:17 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Can you even Google?

[Image: 800px-Rylands_papyrus.jpg]

Rylands Library Papyrus P52

The oldest scrap of papyrus that we can identify as being a piece of the New Testament is a 3.5 by 2.5 inch scrap of what appears to be a part of John 18:31–33, 37–38, with a rough date of ~125 CE. So its a scrap the size of a credit card, and even this would be dated at best to decades after the supposed events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rylands_Lib...apyrus_P52
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New...ent_papyri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_manuscript

Wrong again... I didn't ask you for the oldest MANUSCRIPT... I asked you for the oldest manuscriptS... as in types Smile Give me the types from the first to the 4th century and their order and ages and locations... I CAN do that Smile You didn't even know what I meant Smile

Read the links fuck-nut. Drinking Beverage

I'm just here to let it be know for the record that your unfounded bullshit is bullshit, I'm not obliged to do your World History and Comparative Religion homework for you.

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03-11-2014, 04:32 AM
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