Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
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03-11-2014, 04:35 AM (This post was last modified: 03-11-2014 04:56 AM by Wolfbitn.)
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03-11-2014, 04:36 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 01:30 AM)godnads Wrote:  Isn't that cheating?

What would make it non-cheating? Is this one of those, it's not really dying if there's an afterlife thing?
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03-11-2014, 04:36 AM
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03-11-2014, 04:38 AM
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(03-11-2014 01:38 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  I never understood how anyone can think that personal responsibility is a trade commodity. In that you can be burdened with someone else's debt or have it taken away, through no action on your part.


Does it require an action, or forgiveness to release one's burden? Does forgiveness have the power to remove the burden of a person's guilt?
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03-11-2014, 04:51 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 04:38 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 01:38 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  I never understood how anyone can think that personal responsibility is a trade commodity. In that you can be burdened with someone else's debt or have it taken away, through no action on your part.


Does it require an action, or forgiveness to release one's burden? Does forgiveness have the power to remove the burden of a person's guilt?

You aren't getting it... "forgiveness" doesn't buy you back from slavery. Would you buy your child back out of slavery or would you let them die in it?
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03-11-2014, 04:53 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 04:51 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  You aren't getting it... "forgiveness" doesn't buy you back from slavery. Would you buy your child back out of slavery or would you let them die in it?

Err, buy them back.
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03-11-2014, 04:53 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 04:36 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 01:30 AM)godnads Wrote:  Isn't that cheating?

What would make it non-cheating? Is this one of those, it's not really dying if there's an afterlife thing?

Because it is dishonest and the easy way out. And you have no evidence to prove there is no afterlife, in light of all the evidence that 90 percent of the world acknowledges. You are the vast minority making extraordinary claims.

Would you buy your children back out of slavery? Yes or no?
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03-11-2014, 04:54 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 04:53 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 04:51 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  You aren't getting it... "forgiveness" doesn't buy you back from slavery. Would you buy your child back out of slavery or would you let them die in it?

Err, buy them back.

And what if the captor demanded blood for blood? Would you pay the price of your own life to save your child?
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03-11-2014, 04:57 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 04:38 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 01:38 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  I never understood how anyone can think that personal responsibility is a trade commodity. In that you can be burdened with someone else's debt or have it taken away, through no action on your part.


Does it require an action, or forgiveness to release one's burden? Does forgiveness have the power to remove the burden of a person's guilt?

An omnipotent deity would have the power to do anything it chose. Anything else implies that a deity is subject to some system or other in Reality. There is no Christian doctrine that says Jebus *had* to die to *release* anyone *from their guilt*. "Releasing" humans from guilt was not the job of a messiah. It is just one of the weird concepts some Christians cooked up to make their shit look reasonable. "Release from guilt" is not a Hebrew idea, and there is nothing in any gospel that says anything about it. It's 100 % idiotic bullshit.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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03-11-2014, 04:59 AM
RE: Did Jesus DIE for our sins?
(03-11-2014 04:54 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  And what if the captor demanded blood for blood? Would you pay the price of your own life to save your child?

I would think the captor was kind of malevolent, but sure I'd pay with my blood.
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