Poll: Did Jesus Exist?
He was a real person.
Jesus is a complete myth.
He may have been real, but has become so shrouded by myth that we can't know anything about him.
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19-06-2014, 02:27 AM
RE: Did Jesus Exist? Or Was He a Myth?
(22-02-2014 04:17 PM)Raptor Jesus Wrote:  The only thing that makes me lean slightly more toward there at least being a human being, or multiple people for whom the stories are attributed to, is realizing that if you were going to completely fabricate the story of Jesus, it’s not very convincing to acquire new recruits by having him killed off, and having failed his mission.

That’s the one thing that really makes me think that there must have at least been a person for whom the mythos of Jesus was later ascribed to. It seems more like something that myths would have to be made up about to explain away this glaring problem, than to make up whole cloth using such a flawed story.

I agree and see what you're saying. I'm not sure it was a complete fabrication but an idea that grew through the passage of time and the normal processes of myth-making. If they had deliberately fabricated it, they must have expected people to accept quite a few far-fetched or uusual ideas, such as Jesus not being a warrior and people coming back from the dead etc
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07-10-2014, 11:16 AM (This post was last modified: 07-10-2014 12:09 PM by anonymous66.)
RE: Did Jesus Exist? Or Was He a Myth?
I looked into the Christ Myth theory for a while... I'm now very skeptical.... mostly because the experts in the field of history, are in almost in complete agreement that Jesus is a historical figure...
"Most contemporary scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted."

But, also because I researched Price's and Carrier's claims and found them to be wanting.... When I looked into the references they used, I found I could not agree with their claims.

The experts in the field of history deserve our respect. They deserve to be taken seriously.

This is the same line of reasoning I use when I accept evolution and human caused global warming, and why I immunize my child. Could the experts be wrong? Of course they could. But, consider what is most probable. It always comes down to deciding what is most probable.

I'm working on a website (just for fun)... I'd love some feedback... it's still very basic, I know... don't be too hard on me.. http://ahistoricaljesus.com/index.htm
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07-10-2014, 12:25 PM (This post was last modified: 07-10-2014 02:25 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Did Jesus Exist? Or Was He a Myth?
It really doesn't make any difference if the (new) sub-sect of Judaism ("The Way" which later morphed into early Christianity) was based on one, or an amalgamation of historical figures. Unless some startling archaeological "find" is made, we'll probably never know. But as far as I'm concerned the "silence" of Jewish writers concerning the supposed "Jesus events" by those we know were writing about other day-to-day things (Philo of Alexandria), makes me very skeptical, as well as things in the gospels that we KNOW had to be made up. The fact that "the teachings of Jesus" reflect *so perfectly* the general contemporary apocalyptic Jewish thought from about 50 to 100 years later, (the "Golden Rule" attempt at "simplification" of *the Law* for the Diaspora) than he was supposed to have lived, makes me even more skeptical than I was before. To me it doesn't matter. The whole ball of wax fits perfectly into late Jewish Apocalypticism, and whether it was Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus of Gamala, or Mithra (from Tarsus) or any of the many other wandering, miracle-working preachers ... who cares ?

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07-10-2014, 12:29 PM
RE: Did Jesus Exist? Or Was He a Myth?
^See, that's another thing I'd like to research... where did this idea of more than one Jesus come from?

I'd like to see some evidence.

If we are going to suggest that a every person who has contradictory stories told about them required there to be multiple people involved, then how may Ceaser's are there? How many Alexander the Greats? How many Platos? How many Aristotles?
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07-10-2014, 12:37 PM (This post was last modified: 07-10-2014 12:51 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Did Jesus Exist? Or Was He a Myth?
(07-10-2014 12:29 PM)anonymous66 Wrote:  ^See, that's another thing I'd like to research... where did this idea of more than one Jesus come from?

I'd like to see some evidence.

If we are going to suggest that a every person who has contradictory stories told about them required there to be multiple people involved, then how may Ceaser's are there? How many Alexander the Greats? How many Platos? How many Aristotles?

Well if you don't know about all the other Jesuses and other messiah figures from the day, and you don't already know what the evidence is, you're in no position at this point to be writing anything about the subject, at all, until you've done your research.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/philo.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/surfeit.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/world/...d=all&_r=0
http://content.time.com/time/world/artic...85,00.html
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/THB5CEJCUCQEUI9IG

Jesus of Nazareth was not the first one who was martyred and said to have risen in 3 days.

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07-10-2014, 12:39 PM (This post was last modified: 07-10-2014 12:43 PM by anonymous66.)
RE: Did Jesus Exist? Or Was He a Myth?
No, I have a some valid questions .. and instead of answering them.. you attacked.

If you don't have any evidence... then stop telling people that the Jesus of the Bible is based on more than one person...

I don't care for it when people tell me their opinion, and then expect me to accept it as fact.

Now, do you have any references, or don't you?
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07-10-2014, 12:48 PM
RE: Did Jesus Exist? Or Was He a Myth?
(07-10-2014 12:39 PM)anonymous66 Wrote:  No, I have a some valid questions .. and instead of answering them.. you attacked.

If you don't have any evidence... then stop telling people that the Jesus of the Bible is based on more than one person...

I don't care for it when people tell me their opinion, and then expect me to accept it as fact.

Now, do you have any references, or don't you?

Oh nony mouse..... We've seen you before...

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07-10-2014, 12:50 PM
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There were several messiah claimants around that time:

Simon of Peraea

Anthronges

Menahem ben Judah

Judas of Galilee

Even John The Baptist was considered to be a messiah by his followers, so much so that they put the scene of Jesus being baptized by him in the gospels and wrote it to show John conferring his blessing and sanction upon Jesus.

It was a hot bed of rebellion and messianic fever back then, every bozo that could do a magic trick would be believed as a messiah. I think Monty Python's The Life of Brian had it right.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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07-10-2014, 12:54 PM
RE: Did Jesus Exist? Or Was He a Myth?
Mouse,
If any of us can google for alternative jesus mythos then you can too.
You have to pop outside the edges of the bible or think outside church walls.....however.

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07-10-2014, 12:57 PM
RE: Did Jesus Exist? Or Was He a Myth?
(07-10-2014 12:39 PM)anonymous66 Wrote:  No, I have a some valid questions .. and instead of answering them.. you attacked.

If you don't have any evidence... then stop telling people that the Jesus of the Bible is based on more than one person...

I don't care for it when people tell me their opinion, and then expect me to accept it as fact.

Now, do you have any references, or don't you?

I don't understand. Didn't he give you 5 references in the post you're responding to?
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