Did Jesus commit suicide?
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14-07-2014, 08:23 PM
RE: Did Jesus commit suicide?
(14-07-2014 08:10 PM)sporehux Wrote:  Suicide or sacrifice, its subjective.
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But as Jesus and his "sacrifice/suicide" was fictional, its sort of moot.

I don't really think that what happened to Jewsus can be classified as sacrifice. Sacrifice implies that something was lost; Jewsus didn't really lose anything.

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14-07-2014, 09:01 PM
RE: Did Jesus commit suicide?
(14-07-2014 08:23 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(14-07-2014 08:10 PM)sporehux Wrote:  Suicide or sacrifice, its subjective.
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But as Jesus and his "sacrifice/suicide" was fictional, its sort of moot.

I don't really think that what happened to Jewsus can be classified as sacrifice. Sacrifice implies that something was lost; Jewsus didn't really lose anything.
He lost the ability to impress people with 3rd rate parlor tricks.
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14-07-2014, 09:07 PM
RE: Did Jesus commit suicide?
It's all baloney anyway, but according to the bible, dumb and dumber came up with this plan beforehand. Apparently simple forgiveness was too difficult OR not near bloody enough. Rolleyes

Not sure if I'd go with jesus committing suicide or god committing premeditated murder?

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14-07-2014, 09:30 PM
RE: Did Jesus commit suicide?
(14-07-2014 09:01 PM)sporehux Wrote:  
(14-07-2014 08:23 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  I don't really think that what happened to Jewsus can be classified as sacrifice. Sacrifice implies that something was lost; Jewsus didn't really lose anything.
He lost the ability to impress people with 3rd rate parlor tricks.
Turning water to wine in heaven would have people rolling their eyes and groaning
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... Touché, sir.

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16-07-2014, 02:00 PM
RE: Did Jesus commit suicide?
It was common for the leader of a conquered "tribe" in Roman times to be held hostage by the Romans to ensure the good behavior of the vanquished tribe. If the Jesus story is of a real rebel leader then he would have been handing himself over to save his tribe from being slaughtered. Since the Jews had no "king", then he needed to be anointed as such, which is reflected in the ceremony performed by Mary and he would need to be pointed out to the Romans, which Judas does. All of the NT points towards him being the leader of a minority Jewish sect who had ideas about being leader of all of the Jews. Whether, if this is the explanation, he expected to be crucified, is debatable and one theory is that Vespasian had him taken down from the cross and sent into exile...which could explain the supposed resurrection and the story by Josephus of him taking a leader of the Jewish Revolt down from the cross alive.

People back then had different ideas of what was sinful anyway. Even until recent times it was considered appropriate for a captain to go down with his ship. Is that suicide or is it "honorable" and signifying responsibility for a disaster, as would be losing a war to the Romans. Were the Jews of Masada sinful? St. George is supposed to have defied the Emperor for his faith and died as a result and he was beatified.
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