Did the scientists convert to Islam?
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05-06-2016, 08:50 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 06:09 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  
(18-08-2012 04:13 PM)Chas Wrote:  There is nothing in the Koran or the Hadiths that is scientifically interesting. If you believe otherwise, give us the evidence.
If it is not clearly worded, then don't bother. Elliptical or poetic verses that might mean something don't qualify.

We did not evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor. We and monkeys and everything else continue to evolve. There is ample evidence of this.
I just registered to answer this ، wish its welcomed as a logical argument

1st in my personal prespective i can't built spiritual beliefs on physical theories, cause theories always expires, newton is wrong now, and in the future Einstein will be, its a scientific habit, now science began to state that evolution is probably wrong by evidence

2nd Quran has facts that can be understood only by specialists , and it stated if you can prove that these words are wrong, this method is a method of proving theories now,something like Bohr ,Einstein conflict
Show this to any specialist doctor in this specific topic and tell me what do he thinks

AL-MU'MINUN (THE BELIEVERS) 9 to 14


And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay.


Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.

Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators.

This process been discovered after these words by hundred years, and wasn't discovered by this accuracy until soon

Theres many stuff like that in astronomy, physics and chemistry, and I'm sure if I know more I'll find more

Einstein has showed a model that can represent eternity where time and space doesn't exist, and I already believe in this , that time and space are creations
BTW Quran tells Muslims to think and learn cause the more i think and learn about matter the more I believe, actually in quantum physics I find the most hard philosophical questions to physists are already solved to me


Please dont let thisturn into hate argument

Also great job reviving a 4 year old thread.

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05-06-2016, 09:14 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 08:49 AM)unsapien Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:22 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  Common sense tells everything is done by someone

So common-sense tells us that god was created by uber god, who was created by really uber god, who was created by really seriously uber god, who was created by massively really serious uber god
... ad infinitum.

(05-06-2016 08:22 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  If u claim that universe came up by itself ,its not logic , it may be true but u need to prove it first

Neither atheism nor the scientific method has claimed to know how the universe has come to exist, we're still waiting on the research and the evidence.
But the word god conflict with the idea of he is creation himself
By god I mean the first of this chain
Now u use term infinity which minds can't have a representation of it, infinity in engineering means relative infinity ,but u used now absolute infinity
Now you believe in spooky stuff too
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05-06-2016, 09:19 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 08:26 AM)Anjele Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:22 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  Sorry but that first part is totally wrong and missleading and didn't response to my words
Quran was written and mesmerized by seven men, and till now these seven writtens exist and are the same , let the question be:how a man who isn't a scientist know such detailed process and many others while these processes only discovered lately


And as whats outside the universe is unknow
Common sense tells everything is done by someone
If u claim that universe came up by itself ,its not logic , it may be true but u need to prove it first

Mesmerized is exactly the right word for falling for religio-babble.

Good use of the wrong word. Thumbsup
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Quran was written and mesmerized by seven men, and till now these seven writtens exist and are the same ,

U took a word out of contest , good
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05-06-2016, 09:20 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 09:19 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:26 AM)Anjele Wrote:  Mesmerized is exactly the right word for falling for religio-babble.

Good use of the wrong word. Thumbsup
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Quran was written and mesmerized by seven men, and till now these seven writtens exist and are the same ,

U took a word out of contest , good

Read that one more time Skippy.

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05-06-2016, 09:23 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 08:33 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  [Image: mesmer.jpg]

The odd thing of these recurring islam knew what couldn't be known or wasn't known til now details... is sooo many of the claims were things already written and expounded upon in Greece several hundreds of years prior to the age of the Koran.

Like the silly well there are stages of life in wombs, fascinating... except Things happen to be well studied when you have access to tragic life and death events plenty of times too when you get to study the stages of life... the stages of development and how that relates.

Why were you offended , I thought you pro mind Smile ,or u only respect ur own mind and who ever agrees with you

Its not silly to me , as I am a science geek
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05-06-2016, 09:25 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 09:19 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:26 AM)Anjele Wrote:  Mesmerized is exactly the right word for falling for religio-babble.

Good use of the wrong word. Thumbsup
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Quran was written and mesmerized by seven men, and till now these seven writtens exist and are the same ,

U took a word out of contest , good

Really? FacepalmFacepalmFacepalmFacepalm

I think you mean memorized.

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05-06-2016, 09:30 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 06:09 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  I just registered to answer this ، wish its welcomed as a logical argument

Congratulations. You realize that this thread is 5 years old? Most of the people involved in the original discussion are no longer here. Finest necromancy.

Quote:2nd Quran has facts that can be understood only by specialists

We call them apologists. The bastard offspring of cockroaches and intestinal parasites that grew up hiding in the shadow of a corkscrew.

Quote:Theres many stuff like that in astronomy, physics and chemistry, and I'm sure if I know more I'll find more

You know the Christians make exactly the same claim? It's classic after the fact rationalization. Simply take a large book and find a passage that vaguely fits an established scientific fact and then warp the meaning until it suits. And ignore all those other pesky passages where it gets science utterly wrong. It dishonest and simply tells me you don't have much faith in your faith.

Quote:Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators.

Let's have a look at that shall we? First there's an incredibly vague similarity between that and early development of the fetus. Second, it's wrong. The "lump" (is that the technical term?) does not become bones that are subsequently covered by flesh. That does not happen.

See what you've done? By bringing subjecting your scripture to the scientific process you've destroyed it's validity. Disproven like an errant hypothesis.

At this point you're going to start getting really dishonest by trying to tell us that that isn't really what the Qu'ran says, what it really says is something completely different that's more or less the opposite of the straight forward meaning. At which point I'll dismiss your scripture and you completely. The Qu'ran's hardly much use if I need some silly mortal to tell me what it means. Divine revalation shouldn't require an intermediary to get it wrong.

Here's the real test though. If the Qu'ran is so very scientifically accurate then you can tell me what the next great discoveries in science will be. They ought to be right there in the text. You should be able to get a decent Nobel Prize or three out of it. Go ahead, we're all waiting. Popcorn Drinking Beverage

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05-06-2016, 09:31 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 09:20 AM)Anjele Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:19 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  I said

Quran was written and mesmerized by seven men, and till now these seven writtens exist and are the same ,

U took a word out of contest , good

Read that one more time Skippy.
Yea I'm skipping this one, I wanna argue with a real mind weather shows to myself I'm wrong and I continue seeking for truth or just let me know I'm right
Not arguing for winning
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05-06-2016, 09:32 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 09:31 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:20 AM)Anjele Wrote:  Read that one more time Skippy.
Yea I'm skipping this one, I wanna argue with a real mind weather shows to myself I'm wrong and I continue seeking for truth or just let me know I'm right
Not arguing for winning

How can someone debate you if you cannot even use correct wording?

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05-06-2016, 09:36 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 09:14 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:49 AM)unsapien Wrote:  So common-sense tells us that god was created by uber god, who was created by really uber god, who was created by really seriously uber god, who was created by massively really serious uber god
... ad infinitum.


Neither atheism nor the scientific method has claimed to know how the universe has come to exist, we're still waiting on the research and the evidence.
But the word god conflict with the idea of he is creation himself
By god I mean the first of this chain
Now u use term infinity which minds can't have a representation of it, infinity in engineering means relative infinity ,but u used now absolute infinity
Now you believe in spooky stuff too

But common sense tells us that everything must have a cause. So God must have a cause. So either God is created by UberGod or common sense tells us that God doesn't exist.

This is what you get when trying to use "common sense" in a timeless, spaceless pre-existent state where none of the normal rules apply.

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