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05-06-2016, 11:18 AM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2016 11:36 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 11:01 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  You can't neglect the common sense any scale cause its the principal if analytic science

Thanks for proving you don't understand Relativity and Quantum Mechanics and the math of Dirac. Is the double slit experiment results "common sense" ?
No. Is "no absolute reference for spacetime" (Relativity) *common sense* ? No. At those levels "common sense" is not applicable.
It's also not applicable, as "coming from nothing" is an action which requires time. There was no time when it started. Therefore it's meaningless.
You are proven wrong. As I said, your error is one of THE most basic and common ones made by religionists who don't know much about science.

Still waiting for you to prove you assertions about the Quran. Still waiting for you to prove Muhammad existed.
How long do I have to wait ?

The words "common sense" do not appear in the scientific method. You are also wrong about what you say about science and common sense. It is NOT a "principle" of science and you can quote NOT ONE science text that says so.

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05-06-2016, 11:20 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 09:23 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  [...] Its not silly to me , as I am a science geek.

In no apparent way are you a "science geek". Anybody of a truly scientific disposition regards the Quran—and every other holy book—as being nothing more than a collection of myths, untruths, fantasy, and misrepresentations. Cobbled together by multiple disparate, ill-educated authors.

And no true scientist accepts the existence of supernatural entities or paranormal phenomena. Nor could any rational persons accept a confirmed paedophile as their "prophet".

Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) married her when she was six years old, and he consummated her in marriage when she was nine years old. Then she remained with him for nine years (IE: till his death).
Sahih Al-Bukhari, Dr. Muhammad Matraji, trans. (New Delhi: Islamic Book Service, 2002)

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05-06-2016, 11:24 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
Islam is an evil and violent cult. Proven over and over in the Quran.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/...lence.aspx

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05-06-2016, 11:28 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 11:01 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  You can't neglect the common sense any scale cause its the principal if analytic science

No, it isn't. If anything, common sense just gets in the way. Science relies on repeatable, demonstrable evidence even when it flies in the face of common sense.

Quote:The unknown still unknown to us , as everything is unknown not only outside the side universe . science can't explain daily routine process

Fine, but believing that there is a god responsible for something just because it is currently unknown is not an answer. It is just making up something to not feel uncomfortable about not knowing. Some if us accept that there are things we do not know and may never know and whether we like that or not it is better to be honest about than to just make something up that sounds good.

Quote:And you want an scientific explanation of god

No, I want real answers that actually explain the evidence. If that leads to showing that a god exists then fine. I don't pretend to know what the answer is before it is found.

Quote:Its too much for science to do that

What evidence do you have for that claim?

Quote:And if science failed to prove it , it doesn't end the problems, science were never right it always evolving and expires

If we don't find answers then we don't find answers. If we don't keep looking then we will never find the real answers, we'll just have to be content with stories that people made up to explain things that they didn't understand.

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05-06-2016, 11:32 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 10:16 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  Good point u mentioned about the the bone thing , I would re study it and see what I'd get for myself before anyone, I have no problem if I'm wrong

And by predicting ,I think you are the one who predicted my actions not the Quran now lol

Check these things and tell me what do u think:
:سورة النازعات
وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا (30
:سورة الحديد
لَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلَنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَأَنْزَلْنَا مَعَهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْمِيزَانَ لِيَقُومَ النَّاسُ بِالْقِسْطِ ۖ وَأَنْزَلْنَا الْحَدِيدَ فِيهِ بَأْسٌ شَدِيدٌ وَمَنَافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ وَلِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَنْصُرُهُ وَرُسُلَهُ بِالْغَيْبِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَوِيٌّ عَزِيزٌ ﴿٢٥﴾


I don't know how many books u read ,but its known that a book loses some wn translate so I'd prefer if u translate it urself to get the most accurate meaning ,
U say it shouldn't be hard to know what Quran says,I say who seeks truth would do it to check, I have read many in English just for human science
We seek the truth not the other way around ,

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05-06-2016, 11:34 AM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2016 01:28 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 06:09 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  
(18-08-2012 04:13 PM)Chas Wrote:  There is nothing in the Koran or the Hadiths that is scientifically interesting. If you believe otherwise, give us the evidence.
If it is not clearly worded, then don't bother. Elliptical or poetic verses that might mean something don't qualify.

We did not evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor. We and monkeys and everything else continue to evolve. There is ample evidence of this.
I just registered to answer this ، wish its welcomed as a logical argument

1st in my personal prespective i can't built spiritual beliefs on physical theories, cause theories always expires, newton is wrong now, and in the future Einstein will be, its a scientific habit, now science began to state that evolution is probably wrong by evidence

2nd Quran has facts that can be understood only by specialists , and it stated if you can prove that these words are wrong, this method is a method of proving theories now,something like Bohr ,Einstein conflict
Show this to any specialist doctor in this specific topic and tell me what do he thinks

AL-MU'MINUN (THE BELIEVERS) 9 to 14


And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay.


Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.

Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators.

This process been discovered after these words by hundred years, and wasn't discovered by this accuracy until soon

Theres many stuff like that in astronomy, physics and chemistry, and I'm sure if I know more I'll find more

Einstein has showed a model that can represent eternity where time and space doesn't exist, and I already believe in this , that time and space are creations
BTW Quran tells Muslims to think and learn cause the more i think and learn about matter the more I believe, actually in quantum physics I find the most hard philosophical questions to physists are already solved to me


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All "holy" books were written by the creator of god/s: Man.

It doesn't matter which delusion one embraces, it is all disproven BS requiring a child-like belief in magic. Magic doesn't exist outside of fairy tales. The kiddy table is reserved for children who recite stories of magic. The adult table is reserved for those who can articulate conversation about the real world. Which table do you want to sit at? The choice is yours...choose well my friend.

All prophets are false prophets.

If a god existed, a thinking person would presume he wouldn't choose a murderous pedophile like Muhammad (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) Rolleyes to be his prophet.

Thus, Muhammad was not a prophet.

To quote the Quran or Hadith as if it is the basis for truth, reason, logic or validity is commensurate with referring to SpongeBob SquarePants episode 5 for the answer to world hunger.

It is good that the men who authored the Quran told you to think and learn. I hope you do just that...think....and learn.

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05-06-2016, 11:43 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 11:18 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 11:01 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  You can't neglect the common sense any scale cause its the principal if analytic science

Thanks for proving you don't understand Relativity and Quantum mechanics and the math of Dirac. Is the double slit experiment results "common sense" ?
No. Is "no absolute reference for spacetime" (Relativity) *common sense*. No. At those levels "common sense" is not applicable.
It's also not applicable, as "coming from nothing' is an action which requires time. There was no time when it started. Therfore it's meaningless.
You are proven wrong. As I said, your error is one of THE most basic and common ones made by religionists who don't know much about science.

Still waiting for you to prove you assertions about the Quran. Still waiting for you to prove Muhammad existed.
How long do I have to wait ?

The words "common sense" do not appear in the scientific method. You are also wrong about what you say about science and common sense. It is NOT a "principle" of science and you can quote NOT ONE science text that says so.
You said I proved I'm wrong , but u didn't mention how

And I didn't talk about religion , all I talked about is science
And I don't know how you missed that common sense is the basic principle,
You observe something and try to analze its behavior Using common sense probability laws
Ever heard about baisan rules?!
Even Bohr used common sense to prove that reality behaves non sense
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05-06-2016, 11:51 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 10:16 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  Check these things and tell me what do u think:
:سورة النازعات
وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا (30
:سورة الحديد
لَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلَنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَأَنْزَلْنَا مَعَهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْمِيزَانَ لِيَقُومَ النَّاسُ بِالْقِسْطِ ۖ وَأَنْزَلْنَا الْحَدِيدَ فِيهِ بَأْسٌ شَدِيدٌ وَمَنَافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ وَلِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَنْصُرُهُ وَرُسُلَهُ بِالْغَيْبِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَوِيٌّ عَزِيزٌ ﴿٢٥﴾

I think that it's in a language I don't speak. Google Translate didn't do it any favors.

I'll keep this simple for you. Every single argument that you've made was uttered by "Saint" Thomas Aquinas nearly a thousand years ago. This is the reasoning of the Crusaders. Would you validate it?

The Qur'an contains no insights that were not derived from the Christian Gospels or the Jewish Torah.

And 3, 2, 1...

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05-06-2016, 11:59 AM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 11:43 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  And I don't know how you missed that common sense is the basic principle,

Common sense says:

- Something can be a particle or a wave but not both.
- Distance, time and mass remain the same regardless of velocity
- Space and time are different things.

Common sense is great for growing potatoes.

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05-06-2016, 12:04 PM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 11:43 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 11:18 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Thanks for proving you don't understand Relativity and Quantum mechanics and the math of Dirac. Is the double slit experiment results "common sense" ?
No. Is "no absolute reference for spacetime" (Relativity) *common sense*. No. At those levels "common sense" is not applicable.
It's also not applicable, as "coming from nothing' is an action which requires time. There was no time when it started. Therfore it's meaningless.
You are proven wrong. As I said, your error is one of THE most basic and common ones made by religionists who don't know much about science.

Still waiting for you to prove you assertions about the Quran. Still waiting for you to prove Muhammad existed.
How long do I have to wait ?

The words "common sense" do not appear in the scientific method. You are also wrong about what you say about science and common sense. It is NOT a "principle" of science and you can quote NOT ONE science text that says so.
You said I proved I'm wrong , but u didn't mention how

And I didn't talk about religion , all I talked about is science
And I don't know how you missed that common sense is the basic principle,
You observe something and try to analze its behavior Using common sense probability laws
Ever heard about baisan rules?!
Even Bohr used common sense to prove that reality behaves non sense

Yes I did.
You said common sense must always be accounted for. I showed you that in Relativity and Quantum Mechanics it doesn't apply. Apparently you don't know much about science.

Quote:You observe something and try to analze its behavior Using common sense probability laws.

Common sense and probability are not the same thing. You analyze the EVIDENCE, and let it lead you where it does. You do not slap "common sense" on top of evidence. Science if FULL of unexpected non-intuitive results.

You are a beginner, aren't you ?

Bayesian rules may or may not apply. Even if they DID apply, some real results are highly improbable, yet true. Not only highly probable things (as we see them) are true. Highly improbable events happen all the time.

I thought you said you were a science geek ?

I guess not.

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