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05-06-2016, 12:04 PM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 09:32 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  ...
How can someone debate you if you cannot even use correct wording?

Dude's from North Africa so some slack cutting should be afforded, methinks.

(05-06-2016 11:01 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  ...
science were never right it always evolving and expires

Does this also apply to 'Quranic science'?

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05-06-2016, 12:11 PM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2016 01:12 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 11:01 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  ...
science were never right it always evolving and expires

Right enough. Nothing is ever a work complete. It doesn't "expire". Science rests on the work of the past. That doesn't invalidate previos work, that makes future understanding possible.
If you needed surgery to save your life, would you say "No thanks, the science of medicine is not complete ?" I think not.
Science is a METHOD. It's the best method we have for exploring the universe. Old books by cave dwellers are useless.

Things that "expire" are not false. Certain conditions existed after the Big Bang. They no longer exist. Does that invalidate their truth ? No. Your assumptions are unexamined.

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05-06-2016, 12:12 PM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 12:04 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:32 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  ...
How can someone debate you if you cannot even use correct wording?

Dude's from North Africa so some slack cutting should be afforded, methinks.

Ok ok.

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05-06-2016, 12:31 PM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2016 12:58 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 11:01 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  ...
science were never right it always evolving and expires


Which is the point.

Science is constantly evolving as more knowledge is gained, more information is made available from research, evidence unearthed etc. Falsifiability is a basic tenet of science.

Science is the antithesis of faith. Science is a process that contains multiple and redundant checks, balances, and safeguards against human bias and error. Science has a built-in corrective mechanism..hypothesis testing...that weeds out false claims. Claims that come about as a result of a scientific process are held as tentatively true by scientists..unlike claims of faith that are held as eternally true with zero evidence. Related to this, claims that come about as a result of a scientific process are falsifiable, that is, there is a way to show the claims are false. This is not the case with faith claims. For example, there's no way to falsify the claim that the Norse god Loki was able to assume other forms.

Scientists try to prove claims false (falsification), unlike faith leaders who unequivocally state their faith claims are true. If a scientist can demonstrate that a popular scientific claim is false, he or she can become famous, get tenure, publish books, earn more money and become respected by her or his peers. If a preacher or religious leader states that the claims of his faith tradition are false, he's excommunicated, defrocked or otherwise forced to abandon his position...the stifling of growth and enlightenment basically.

Science is a method for advancing our understanding. It is a process we can use to bring us closer to the truth, and to weed out false claims. Science thus is the best way we've currently found to explain and understand how the universe works...unlike the religious leaders who base it on a superstitious disproven anthropocentric fictional book put together by agenda based allegorical writings based on fairy tales and passed down mythical stories. Religion is the ultimate pyramid scheme perpetrated against mankind...by mankind.

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05-06-2016, 12:54 PM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
Common sense tells me that magic isn't real.

Probability tells me that of all the human religions, yours is unlikely to be true.

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05-06-2016, 01:08 PM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
Dear dimmu.borgir,

Could you please explain to me how what this guys says is https://unitedstatesprophecy.com/about/ any less legitimate than the writings in the Q’uran?

"I have been receiving visions, dreams, visitations and prophetic word of knowledge from God since 1982. I was called by God to be a watchman – seer and He instructed me to warn the churches and the people of America about what is coming upon our land if there was no repentance of sin.”

I await your response.

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05-06-2016, 01:23 PM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 06:09 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  
(18-08-2012 04:13 PM)Chas Wrote:  There is nothing in the Koran or the Hadiths that is scientifically interesting. If you believe otherwise, give us the evidence.
If it is not clearly worded, then don't bother. Elliptical or poetic verses that might mean something don't qualify.

We did not evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor. We and monkeys and everything else continue to evolve. There is ample evidence of this.
I just registered to answer this ، wish its welcomed as a logical argument

I expect to be disappointed. Drinking Beverage

Quote:1st in my personal prespective i can't built spiritual beliefs on physical theories, cause theories always expires,

No, theories are generally refined.

Quote:newton is wrong now,

No, he's not. Newtonian mechanics are a very accurate model except at the very small or very fast. And that is not all he did. Calculus is still correct.

Quote:and in the future Einstein will be,

No, his theories will be built on.

Quote:its a scientific habit, now science began to state that evolution is probably wrong by evidence

We'll require a citation for that because I call bullshit. Drinking Beverage

Quote:2nd Quran has facts that can be understood only by specialists , and it stated if you can prove that these words are wrong, this method is a method of proving theories now,something like Bohr ,Einstein conflict
Show this to any specialist doctor in this specific topic and tell me what do he thinks

AL-MU'MINUN (THE BELIEVERS) 9 to 14


And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay.

So, fairy tales are all you have.

Quote:Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.

Whatever that means. Consider

Quote:Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators.

That is not at all how embryonic development occurs. Read a book.

Quote:This process been discovered after these words by hundred years, and wasn't discovered by this accuracy until soon

Baloney. Any husbandman or hunter would know that embryos go through development.

Quote:Theres many stuff like that in astronomy, physics and chemistry, and I'm sure if I know more I'll find more

Show your evidence because no one has ever come up with anything besides fatuous readings.

Quote:Einstein has showed a model that can represent eternity where time and space doesn't exist, and I already believe in this ,
that time and space are creations

Citation required.

Quote:BTW Quran tells Muslims to think and learn cause the more i think and learn about matter the more I believe, actually in quantum physics I find the most hard philosophical questions to physists are already solved to me

Publish and win the Nobel.

Quote:Please dont let thisturn into hate argument

I don't hate you, the Quran, or Islam. I see that it's all delusion and I pity you.

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Science is not a subject, but a method.
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05-06-2016, 01:25 PM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2016 01:33 PM by Chas.)
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 09:14 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:49 AM)unsapien Wrote:  So common-sense tells us that god was created by uber god, who was created by really uber god, who was created by really seriously uber god, who was created by massively really serious uber god
... ad infinitum.


Neither atheism nor the scientific method has claimed to know how the universe has come to exist, we're still waiting on the research and the evidence.
But the word god conflict with the idea of he is creation himself
By god I mean the first of this chain

Special pleading fallacy.

Quote:Now u use term infinity which minds can't have a representation of it, infinity in engineering means relative infinity ,but u used now absolute infinity
Now you believe in spooky stuff too

Please explain what "relative infinity" is because that sounds like gobbledygook.

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05-06-2016, 01:31 PM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 01:08 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Dear dimmu.borgir,

Could you please explain to me how what this guys says is https://unitedstatesprophecy.com/about/ any less legitimate than the writings in the Q’uran?

"I have been receiving visions, dreams, visitations and prophetic word of knowledge from God since 1982. I was called by God to be a watchman – seer and He instructed me to warn the churches and the people of America about what is coming upon our land if there was no repentance of sin.”

I await your response.

do you really expect to get the truth from me over this???
if you dont see the difference between this man and quran then you dont know about quran much more than you have ever been told

still i cant actually give response about this man now,, ididnt read all his page
did you real all about quran?
did you read it even once?

in quran it shows that earth is not perfectly round
it shows that FE didnt originaly form in earth,
ever heard about Dr. Maurice Bucaille's story ?

if youreally didnt read quran then you are trying to attack it without knowledge, let it be my fault , and give it a try , it may make you more convinced about atheism , who knows
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05-06-2016, 01:35 PM
RE: Did the scientists convert to Islam?
(05-06-2016 01:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:14 AM)dimmu.borgir Wrote:  But the word god conflict with the idea of he is creation himself
By god I mean the first of this chain

Special pleading fallacy.

Quote:Now u use term infinity which minds can't have a representation of it, infinity in engineering means relative infinity ,but u used now absolute infinity
Now you believe in spooky stuff too

Please explain what "relative infinity" is because that sounds like gobbledyggok.

relative infinity means that my hand volume is infinity to an atom
absolute infinity is an philosophical assumption means endless number
we use that assumption to help in solving equations
just as zero
but in fact mind cant understand neither infinity nor zero
there is alot of these tricks in math, i bet there is a lot of people here can explain these tricks better than me
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