Discipline/lack of and atheism
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16-06-2017, 12:58 PM
RE: Discipline/lack of and atheism
Yeah, sure, as soon as I realized I was an atheist it was nothing but easy pussy and margaritas, bro!

Maybe atheists are more likely to experiment with more hedonistic lifestyles, earthly pleasures, self-centered hobbies and activities; I'm not sure. If there's any data on that I'd love to see it.

But they're also far MORE likely than believers to be scientists, researchers, intellectuals and far LESS likely to be convicted felons.
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16-06-2017, 12:59 PM
RE: Discipline/lack of and atheism
Chill, please.

Really, I am not looking for a fight, just some sort of intelligent discussion.

"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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16-06-2017, 01:02 PM
RE: Discipline/lack of and atheism
(16-06-2017 12:59 PM)Jeanne Wrote:  Chill, please.

To chill one must be angry first. I admit that my fuse isn't longest one but come on...

Quote:Really, I am not looking for a fight, just some sort of intelligent discussion.

Then work on your knowledge. Your passive-aggressive implying that I'm at fault here is not appreciated.

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16-06-2017, 01:13 PM
RE: Discipline/lack of and atheism
Then how do we go about discussing a term, which we define differently?

You may think that your wording does not frame your replies in a non-aggressive and dismissive manner, but I don't read them that way.

Perhaps we can't discuss the term or its implications for sentient beings or even how we feel about what we believe and think, when we find ourselves at such odds.

So I am sorry if I messed up this discussion, Szuchow.

-Jeanne

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16-06-2017, 01:24 PM
RE: Discipline/lack of and atheism
(16-06-2017 01:13 PM)Jeanne Wrote:  Then how do we go about discussing a term, which we define differently?

By looking for points of non-divergence perhaps. But in this case it is doomed to failure I think as honor is some vague not easily defined thing. I could agree that honor is "list of rules one live by" but while that may be superficially true it does not cut it for me.

Quote:You may think that your wording does not frame your replies in a non-aggressive and dismissive manner, but I don't read them that way.

Part of my wording issue stems from English not being my mother tongue. It's hard to judge "hardness" of words and phrases. But I wouldn't call my wording in posts written not today aggressive, insistent perhaps but softened with words like "I think", which I hope convey that I do not deem what I write a fact, merely an opinion.

I just completely disagree with your view, that's not the same thing as denying you right to have it.

Quote:Perhaps we can't discuss the term or its implications for sentient beings or even how we feel about what we believe and think, when we find ourselves at such odds.

We can discuss it but I can't see this discussion bearing fruit as our views appears to be totally incompatible, given that I see honor as dangerous and maybe even somewhat barbaric concept rather than good thing of any kind.

Quote:So I am sorry if I messed up this discussion, Szuchow.

-Jeanne

I guess we're both at fault.

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