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22-02-2012, 09:45 PM
RE: Do Sports People Deserve Their Pay?
(19-02-2012 09:10 AM)Starcrash Wrote:  
(18-02-2012 04:13 AM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  You realize that neither of those quotes disproves what I said right? Seeing as how I didn't even touch on the subject of whether or not I felt they got paid too much. Of course I do think that, and would like to add that their abilities aren't as rare as some might think. For instance, there are lots of players with MLB quality skills in central and south america, but they arent given the opportunity to display that talent, and they certainly don't make millions in the local ball clubs.

I'm sorry, were you agreeing with my point about the value of rarity by implying that these undiscovered players should be given the opportunity to "make millions in the local ball clubs"? Or were you trying to object at my calling these skills rare by assuming that they are commonplace in other countries due to our lack of knowledge about how many good players there are in these places (an Argument from Ignorance)?

No I am saying the skills aren't as nearly as rare as you might think. These people are not superhumans. The rarity, if you want to call it that, is only there because the owners want it to be. There is no money to be made by scouring the globe and finding people with above than average athletic abilities.

These people do get paid too much, but in a capitalistic society there is simply nothing that can be done about that. It can only be rectified by the govt protecting the people from essentially themselves via taxation.
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23-02-2012, 05:03 PM
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I don't believe they deserve it, they deserve to get paid of course, but not as much. As some have explained before, I understand this is caused by the mechanisms of the free market, but I don't believe the law of supply and demand is enough to create a fair and just society in terms of wealth distribution, hence, I think that lacking a better economic system, they should be taxed a fair share according to their income Big Grin

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23-02-2012, 05:10 PM (This post was last modified: 23-02-2012 05:13 PM by germanyt.)
RE: Do Sports People Deserve Their Pay?
(18-02-2012 04:13 AM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  
(16-02-2012 09:37 AM)germanyt Wrote:  Too much sense.

You realize that neither of those quotes disproves what I said right? Seeing as how I didn't even touch on the subject of whether or not I felt they got paid too much. Of course I do think that, and would like to add that their abilities aren't as rare as some might think. For instance, there are lots of players with MLB quality skills in central and south america, but they arent given the opportunity to display that talent, and they certainly don't make millions in the local ball clubs.

Besides, the only real competition in American sports is who can take the most performance enhancing drugs w/o getting caught(assuming its even against the rules), or stroking out.


If you can generate a hundred million dollars in revenue for your company all by yourself then you most definitly deserve a large chunk of it. As for the rest of your post, "So what"?
(22-02-2012 09:45 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  It can only be rectified by the govt protecting the people from essentially themselves via taxation.

Leftist quote of the year right there. Unfortunately the internet doesn't have enough facepalm memes for all of your posts.

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23-02-2012, 08:32 PM
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Woot I won the leftist comment of the year!!!
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23-02-2012, 08:47 PM
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I sort of figure do a fair days work for a fair days pay.

Top athletes should be entitled to a fair bit of coin since their making promoters, clubs and venues a lot of money.

It wasn't that long ago that here in Australia, football players weren't recieving much money for their games, while venues and stuff were making loads of cash. That's not fair. I don't like the word fair.

For a company like Adidas or Eleiko to compensate an athlete with goods, products or services for simply using their equipment (or wearing it) is also a tricky issue.
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23-02-2012, 08:53 PM
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(23-02-2012 08:47 PM)Aussie Wrote:  I sort of figure do a fair days work for a fair days pay.

Top athletes should be entitled to a fair bit of coin since their making promoters, clubs and venues a lot of money.

It wasn't that long ago that here in Australia, football players weren't recieving much money for their games, while venues and stuff were making loads of cash. That's not fair. I don't like the word fair.

For a company like Adidas or Eleiko to compensate an athlete with goods, products or services for simply using their equipment (or wearing it) is also a tricky issue.

But you are simply dictating that the players deserve a lot of money, because the the owners are making absurd amounts of money. However, that is not an argument as to whether they deserve it or not.

In fact, it actually sounds like a socialist argument, right germanyt? Take from the rich to give to the poor?

PS: How are they doing a fair days work again?
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23-02-2012, 08:56 PM
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(23-02-2012 08:53 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  But you are simply dictating that the players deserve a lot of money, because the the owners are making absurd amounts of money. However, that is not an argument as to whether they deserve it or not.

In fact, it actually sounds like a socialist argument, right germanyt? Take from the rich to give to the poor?

PS: How are they doing a fair days work again?

Well they are doing a days work that generates hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of pounds/dollars for their company. If I generated that much money in my job I'd expect a fair share of it, especially if there were only 50 or so people in the world who could generate so much.

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23-02-2012, 09:12 PM (This post was last modified: 23-02-2012 09:19 PM by mysticjbyrd.)
RE: Do Sports People Deserve Their Pay?
(23-02-2012 08:56 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(23-02-2012 08:53 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  But you are simply dictating that the players deserve a lot of money, because the the owners are making absurd amounts of money. However, that is not an argument as to whether they deserve it or not.

In fact, it actually sounds like a socialist argument, right germanyt? Take from the rich to give to the poor?

PS: How are they doing a fair days work again?

Well they are doing a days work that generates hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of pounds/dollars for their company. If I generated that much money in my job I'd expect a fair share of it, especially if there were only 50 or so people in the world who could generate so much.

Thats an interesting point, but is it true? If the person working a blue collar job suddenly starts working harder, does he get paid more? No. It doesn't matter how much extra money he generates, he doesn't get any extra.

You could maybe argue he gets a raise or something, but thats nearly moot. The average pay for the middle class in the US has barely increased at all since 1980.


The more I think about it the more it sounds an awful like socialism for the rich.
Make sure this rich player gets his fair share from those uber rich over there, but forget about all those janitors, vendors, security guards, etc...doing actual work for minimum wage.
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23-02-2012, 09:31 PM
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(23-02-2012 09:12 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  The more I think about it the more it sounds an awful like socialism for the rich.
Make sure this rich player gets his fair share from those uber rich over there, but forget about all those janitors, vendors, security guards, etc...doing actual work for minimum wage.

It's not a case of forgetting them. It's a hard fact of life that however hard they work they are never gonna generate huge sums of money, in fact they're hardly generating anything at all.

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24-02-2012, 12:27 AM
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(23-02-2012 09:31 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(23-02-2012 09:12 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  The more I think about it the more it sounds an awful like socialism for the rich.
Make sure this rich player gets his fair share from those uber rich over there, but forget about all those janitors, vendors, security guards, etc...doing actual work for minimum wage.

It's not a case of forgetting them. It's a hard fact of life that however hard they work they are never gonna generate huge sums of money, in fact they're hardly generating anything at all.

Who said anything about huge sums of money? You said the ball player deserves a fair cut, well if thats true the hotdog vendors deserve a fair cut too.

At what pay grade do you think socialism should stop?
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