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24-02-2012, 04:27 AM
RE: Do Sports People Deserve Their Pay?
At last years australian rules footy grand final there was a crowd attendance of 99,537 people. That can obviously mean a lot of things for a lot of reasons.

I think its a very valid point that why should athletes rack in the big bucks, while there are loads of hidden / back stage employees that get overlooked because their not wear a certain uniform and spending most of the time running around the oval.

In a way im quite empathetic to the notion of spreading the wealth out equally. Making sure that coaches, athletes, security, cleaners, parking lot marshalls and so forth.
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24-02-2012, 04:33 AM
RE: Do Sports People Deserve Their Pay?
I see both sides and it can be disgusting how the pay rises now in some of the sports; although, it's hard to argue how much they should get paid if it is being considered a fair share of the top profits.

The American leagues over the last few years of new agreements have gone to splitting the revenue near 50/50 between players and owners. If the pay is going to be spent based on half the revenue it has to go to those players to where it is hard to criticize them because it is the public who gives the league the money that puts it into those athletes pockets.

I do have a bit of a fundamental problem with the splitting the revenue between the current players/owners as they set up it. I found it extremely sad there was no fanbase or media movement trying to push the betterment of those funds to make a chunk of it go to the retired players in many cases really need it, A lot are suing the NFL right now over false promised aid, or for the funds to be split to give a small percentage to maintaining prices to keep fans going to games. That would help the leagues overall too with some of the weak markets being to expensive.
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24-02-2012, 05:43 AM
RE: Do Sports People Deserve Their Pay?
It's good how the rugby and afl in Australia have a salary cap in place.
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24-02-2012, 07:46 AM (This post was last modified: 24-02-2012 07:57 AM by germanyt.)
RE: Do Sports People Deserve Their Pay?
(23-02-2012 08:53 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  
(23-02-2012 08:47 PM)Aussie Wrote:  I sort of figure do a fair days work for a fair days pay.

Top athletes should be entitled to a fair bit of coin since their making promoters, clubs and venues a lot of money.

It wasn't that long ago that here in Australia, football players weren't recieving much money for their games, while venues and stuff were making loads of cash. That's not fair. I don't like the word fair.

For a company like Adidas or Eleiko to compensate an athlete with goods, products or services for simply using their equipment (or wearing it) is also a tricky issue.

But you are simply dictating that the players deserve a lot of money, because the the owners are making absurd amounts of money. However, that is not an argument as to whether they deserve it or not.

In fact, it actually sounds like a socialist argument, right germanyt? Take from the rich to give to the poor?

PS: How are they doing a fair days work again?


Actually that's capitalism. Ticket prices, apparel, colectables, etc are all priced based on supply and demand. If a player draws enough demand and generates revenue based on that demand then they are most certainly entitled to a portion, even a large portion of the revenue they generate. People don't get into professional sports as owners so they can use thier revenue to lower ticket prices and pay players less. Pro sports seek out the best atheletes and pay them according to their ability and marketability. And they do look all over the world. Look at Yao Ming or Sammy Sosa.

(23-02-2012 09:12 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  
(23-02-2012 08:56 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(23-02-2012 08:53 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  But you are simply dictating that the players deserve a lot of money, because the the owners are making absurd amounts of money. However, that is not an argument as to whether they deserve it or not.

In fact, it actually sounds like a socialist argument, right germanyt? Take from the rich to give to the poor?

PS: How are they doing a fair days work again?

Well they are doing a days work that generates hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of pounds/dollars for their company. If I generated that much money in my job I'd expect a fair share of it, especially if there were only 50 or so people in the world who could generate so much.

Thats an interesting point, but is it true? If the person working a blue collar job suddenly starts working harder, does he get paid more? No. It doesn't matter how much extra money he generates, he doesn't get any extra.

You could maybe argue he gets a raise or something, but thats nearly moot. The average pay for the middle class in the US has barely increased at all since 1980.


The more I think about it the more it sounds an awful like socialism for the rich.
Make sure this rich player gets his fair share from those uber rich over there, but forget about all those janitors, vendors, security guards, etc...doing actual work for minimum wage.


People don't get paid based on the amount of work they do. If so then roofers, landscapers, and fast food employees would be making 6 figures. Unfortunately for them their jobs require very little skill level or education and as a result, get paid shit. This also takes into consideration that since there are so many people out there that can do those jobs companies can pay lower wages and always expect to have 20 people filling out applications behind the last employee. It's the way the market should work.

(24-02-2012 12:27 AM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  
(23-02-2012 09:31 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(23-02-2012 09:12 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  The more I think about it the more it sounds an awful like socialism for the rich.
Make sure this rich player gets his fair share from those uber rich over there, but forget about all those janitors, vendors, security guards, etc...doing actual work for minimum wage.

It's not a case of forgetting them. It's a hard fact of life that however hard they work they are never gonna generate huge sums of money, in fact they're hardly generating anything at all.

Who said anything about huge sums of money? You said the ball player deserves a fair cut, well if thats true the hotdog vendors deserve a fair cut too.

At what pay grade do you think socialism should stop?

What makes you think that hot dog vendors aren't earning the same or even a higher percent of total revenue than a star athelete?
(24-02-2012 04:27 AM)Aussie Wrote:  In a way im quite empathetic to the notion of spreading the wealth out equally. Making sure that coaches, athletes, security, cleaners, parking lot marshalls and so forth.

That's because you're a parking lot marshall. If you were the player you would feel quite differently. How can you, the parking lot marshall, expect to take home an equal share of revenue as the player when absolutely no one showed up to the stadium specifically to see you? If not for the league, owner, coach, player, etc you wouldn't even have a job tending the lot because there would be no stadium.
(24-02-2012 05:43 AM)Aussie Wrote:  It's good how the rugby and afl in Australia have a salary cap in place.


So does the NFL. So what? Salary caps aren't in place to limit the amount of money a person can make because it's not 'fair'. They exists so that teams in high dollar areas and teams that generate shit loads of revenue from fans (i.e. NY Yankees) can't continue to buy the best players in the world and win championship year after year after year. Salary caps give smaller franchises the opportunity to compete athletically.

And I personally think it's a terrible idea. But it's an organization, not the government doing it. So whatevs.

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24-02-2012, 11:37 PM (This post was last modified: 24-02-2012 11:41 PM by mysticjbyrd.)
RE: Do Sports People Deserve Their Pay?
If you are making up some argument to give the uber rich owners money to the ball rich players, then you are making a socialist argument. It doesnt matter what the argument is, you are trying to spread the wealth! Germanyt is a SOCIALIST!!!

Quote:What makes you think that hot dog vendors aren't earning the same or even a higher percent of total revenue than a star athelete?
Common sense? You are comparing millions to thousands, that's a 1000 fold increase.
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