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12-04-2017, 01:33 PM
RE: Do atheists fear oblivion?
(12-04-2017 01:26 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:22 PM)slipknot0129 Wrote:  I believe we are infinite beings. Not limited to our brains.

Dualism is untenable.

Well substance dualism is.

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12-04-2017, 01:42 PM
RE: Do atheists fear oblivion?
(12-04-2017 01:33 PM)Naielis Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 01:26 PM)Chas Wrote:  Dualism is untenable.

Well substance dualism is.

This could imply you think that one of the many forms of dualism is or could be valid.

Question: Do you think that there is a valid (or potentially valid) dualism? One that has not yet been shown to be fallacious or untenable?

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12-04-2017, 01:46 PM
RE: Do atheists fear oblivion?
(12-04-2017 01:42 PM)JesseB Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 01:33 PM)Naielis Wrote:  Well substance dualism is.

This could imply you think that one of the many forms of dualism is or could be valid.

Question: Do you think that there is a valid (or potentially valid) dualism? One that has not yet been shown to be fallacious or untenable?

Yes I would consider myself a property dualist. I go more into this in the philosophy section in my "Arguments Against Materialism" thread. But property dualism simply entails a distinction in the properties of physical things. It doesn't don't posit that the mind is an existing substance of it's own; rather, that it is an emergent property of the brain. For this reason, I think property dualism is compatible with supervenience physicalism and is completely tenable.

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13-04-2017, 06:57 AM
RE: Do atheists fear oblivion?
(11-04-2017 08:04 AM)slipknot0129 Wrote:  I haven't seen any evidence of eternal oblivion.

One can only assume one of two things: This guy has an IQ which matches his shoe size, or he's had a frontal lobotomy.

I just can't believe most of the rubbish he posts originates in a fully-operational brain.

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13-04-2017, 07:24 AM
RE: Do atheists fear oblivion?
I'm oblivious to oblivion.

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13-04-2017, 07:52 AM
RE: Do atheists fear oblivion?
(12-04-2017 01:46 PM)Naielis Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 01:42 PM)JesseB Wrote:  This could imply you think that one of the many forms of dualism is or could be valid.

Question: Do you think that there is a valid (or potentially valid) dualism? One that has not yet been shown to be fallacious or untenable?

Yes I would consider myself a property dualist. I go more into this in the philosophy section in my "Arguments Against Materialism" thread. But property dualism simply entails a distinction in the properties of physical things. It doesn't don't posit that the mind is an existing substance of it's own; rather, that it is an emergent property of the brain. For this reason, I think property dualism is compatible with supervenience physicalism and is completely tenable.

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13-04-2017, 08:13 AM
RE: Do atheists fear oblivion?
(13-04-2017 06:57 AM)SYZ Wrote:  
(11-04-2017 08:04 AM)slipknot0129 Wrote:  I haven't seen any evidence of eternal oblivion.

One can only assume one of two things: This guy has an IQ which matches his shoe size, or he's had a frontal lobotomy.

I just can't believe most of the rubbish he posts originates in a fully-operational brain.

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13-04-2017, 08:19 AM
RE: Do atheists fear oblivion?
(10-04-2017 11:22 PM)slipknot0129 Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:19 PM)Astreja Wrote:  I believe that it *is* forever. I do not believe in the supernatural -- at all. I believe that who we are is totally dependent on our physical brains.
I believe we are infinite beings. Not limited to our brains.

(10-04-2017 11:22 PM)slipknot0129 Wrote:  I believe we are infinite beings. Not limited to our brains.

"I believe...blah, blah, blah..." See, that's you problem. You can believe there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow but it doesn't make it true. You have to have incontrovertible evidence for it to be true and you have none.

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