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11-10-2012, 01:47 PM
RE: Do atheists not favor firearms?
(10-10-2012 09:32 PM)poolboyg88 Wrote:  1. Atheism says nothing about the persons quality of rationality or morality, or any tastes that they can be expected to have, or views held. Atheists may be angels, or dicks, warmongering, or pacifists.

2. As an Atheist, my views on firearms are as follows:

they are weapons of war. Designed with the expressed intent to kill and maim. They are meant to destroy lives. These tools serve no other purpose. A failure of society can be, in part, determined by the number of firearms circulating.

You can't unring a bell. Firearms arms are here, they aren't going anywhere. If you made guns illegal the only people that would have firearms would be people willing to break the law, thus only law-abiding citizens would be defenseless (Try taking a knife to a gunfight if you don't believe me.) Furthermore, firearms have a purpose other than to destroy lives. I have shot thousands of rounds of ammunition and I have never taken anyone's life. I enjoy it as a sport, its challenging, and requires discipline. A good portion of the people where I live use guns to get food (turkeys, pheasants, deer, turtles, snakes, squirrel, hogs, etc), they are also used to keep the food they grow form pests (racoons, deer, muskrats, opossums, etc), and to kill animals that are dangerous (bobcats, bear, snakes, and rarely mountain lions). The most common reason why people have firearms is to protect themselves from thieves and thugs though.

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17-10-2012, 11:28 PM
RE: Do atheists not favor firearms?
I am on both sides of the fence. I hate the idea of gun control. I should be able to just walk into a walmart and buy a gun, no questions asked. So should anyone. If everyone is carrying, then crime should drop. Why go into a crowded building and start firing, when you will probably be killed within seconds of firing the first shot? Likewise, the government might fear the citizens a bit more if by everyone having a gun an overthrow of a corrupt official is more possible. Most of us have self control. I would not wave a gun in someone's face every time there is a disagreement. With cameras being everywhere these days it is pretty easy to check up on a strory. If someone shoots someone due to being cut off in traffic or something stupid like that and a witness kills the suspect, it would be pretty easy to verify what happened. Once that happened a few times, people would learn. If you are reasonably sure that everyone else has a gun on them too, you are less likely to pull yours thinking you have the upper hand.
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18-10-2012, 02:57 AM
RE: Do atheists not favor firearms?
(17-10-2012 11:28 PM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  I am on both sides of the fence. I hate the idea of gun control. I should be able to just walk into a walmart and buy a gun, no questions asked. So should anyone. If everyone is carrying, then crime should drop. Why go into a crowded building and start firing, when you will probably be killed within seconds of firing the first shot? Likewise, the government might fear the citizens a bit more if by everyone having a gun an overthrow of a corrupt official is more possible. Most of us have self control. I would not wave a gun in someone's face every time there is a disagreement. With cameras being everywhere these days it is pretty easy to check up on a strory. If someone shoots someone due to being cut off in traffic or something stupid like that and a witness kills the suspect, it would be pretty easy to verify what happened. Once that happened a few times, people would learn. If you are reasonably sure that everyone else has a gun on them too, you are less likely to pull yours thinking you have the upper hand.

Huh... sounds like the cold war.Drinking Beverage

In all seriousness.... Guns do indeed serve the purpose of killing. But they don't have to kill people. I have gone hunting before. It provided food for my family. I also do it for fun (target practice) go shoot targets, the challenge of being precise is of course fun and takes practice. There's also home defense, or the defense of others. Not everyone with a gun has the intention of buying one because they just want to go kill someone.

Sort of like knife control. Or baseball bat control. Or machete control...

If I only get one shot at this life, I'm sure as shit not going to try and sit down and have a conversation with someone if they break into my house while I'm home. But I will call the cops, get my gun out, and be sure that I'm the one that stays alive as well as my family.
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18-10-2012, 05:33 AM
RE: Do atheists not favor firearms?
Nobody seems to have offered up a non-American perspective so far, so I will try. Guns control is pretty strict here (In Ireland), even the Gardai don't just carry guns around in the streets. There is a specialised firearms unit and that is only dispatched in extreme situations (although there was that one time they sent them after us for playing with rubber swords in the park, but that's not relevant right now).

In general, Irish people (I don't speak for all of us, but this is what I have gathered from friends and family) find American gun culture to be very strange. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising. In fact there was a time when I wanted to move to the US just because of the gun laws. But in general, we don't understand why Americans demand the right to carry weapons. We don't understand why there is so much fear that everyone needs to be armed. We have junkies and scumbags too, but we aren't demanding the right to carry weapons to defend ourselves from them. There are very limited gun laws for hunting and the like, but nobody carries a gun around for protection. Maybe it's because we didn't grow up around them. We don't feel that we need them.

The only reason we'd want guns is to protect ourselves when the zombie apocalypse comes. And to be honest in that situation, melee weapons seem to be a better choice.

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18-10-2012, 04:25 PM
RE: Do atheists not favor firearms?
(18-10-2012 05:33 AM)Smooshmonster Wrote:  Nobody seems to have offered up a non-American perspective so far, so I will try. Guns control is pretty strict here (In Ireland), even the Gardai don't just carry guns around in the streets. There is a specialised firearms unit and that is only dispatched in extreme situations (although there was that one time they sent them after us for playing with rubber swords in the park, but that's not relevant right now).

In general, Irish people (I don't speak for all of us, but this is what I have gathered from friends and family) find American gun culture to be very strange. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising. In fact there was a time when I wanted to move to the US just because of the gun laws. But in general, we don't understand why Americans demand the right to carry weapons. We don't understand why there is so much fear that everyone needs to be armed. We have junkies and scumbags too, but we aren't demanding the right to carry weapons to defend ourselves from them. There are very limited gun laws for hunting and the like, but nobody carries a gun around for protection. Maybe it's because we didn't grow up around them. We don't feel that we need them.

The only reason we'd want guns is to protect ourselves when the zombie apocalypse comes. And to be honest in that situation, melee weapons seem to be a better choice.

While I own firearms, you might be surprised to know that I have done absolutely no planning whatsoever for the zombie apocalypse. Zilch. Nada. None. Drinking Beverage

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18-10-2012, 04:55 PM
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(18-10-2012 04:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  While I own firearms, you might be surprised to know that I have done absolutely no planning whatsoever for the zombie apocalypse. Zilch. Nada. None.

Well if that's the case, you better get ready so you can be ready.

Ya better be ready!

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18-10-2012, 05:20 PM
RE: Do atheists not favor firearms?
(18-10-2012 04:55 PM)TrulyX Wrote:  
(18-10-2012 04:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  While I own firearms, you might be surprised to know that I have done absolutely no planning whatsoever for the zombie apocalypse. Zilch. Nada. None.

Well if that's the case, you better get ready so you can be ready.

Ya better be ready!

No, I don't think I'm going to expend any effort on this.

Now, if you want to talk about the Republican apocalypse, OK.

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18-10-2012, 05:22 PM
RE: Do atheists not favor firearms?
(18-10-2012 05:20 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, I don't think I'm going to expend any effort on this.

Now, if you want to talk about the Republican apocalypse, OK.

Getting rid of a republican is exactly the same as getting rid of a zombie... remove the head or destroy the brain.

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18-10-2012, 06:35 PM
RE: Do atheists not favor firearms?
(18-10-2012 05:22 PM)frankiej Wrote:  
(18-10-2012 05:20 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, I don't think I'm going to expend any effort on this.

Now, if you want to talk about the Republican apocalypse, OK.

Getting rid of a republican is exactly the same as getting rid of a zombie... remove the head or destroy the brain.
Laughat You still think there is a meaningful difference between the two parties!

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18-10-2012, 08:24 PM
RE: Do atheists not favor firearms?
(09-10-2012 09:15 PM)TheBlackKnight Wrote:  
(09-10-2012 06:45 PM)Chas Wrote:  Do you do any shotgun sports?

No. Shotgun caddies and all the go fast goodies for them are really expensive. I concentrate on pistol because its most relevant to my life, the cheapest for parts and reloading, and the hardest to master.


Well....once you have mastered the pistol, the shotgun and rifle are relatively easy.

From most difficult, to least difficult to master, I'd say the progression is: Pistol - Rifle - Shotgun.

Me...I mastered them in almost a bassackwards fashion: Shotgun - Pistol - Rifle.

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