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09-09-2013, 01:33 AM
RE: Do facts require belief for it to be a fact?
(08-09-2013 11:48 PM)BryanS Wrote:  
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It was too well written gibberish to think you made it all up on the spot. Googleing "Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so", I found lots of references. What is the origin of this gibberish? It is hilarious.

A friend and I use it on the CNN Belief Blog when things require it. We made it up for something there a long time ago ... I don't even remember the first time we used it. Possibly we cooked it up for a German preacher-dude, who is always posting long insane sermons.
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09-09-2013, 03:12 AM
RE: Do facts require belief for it to be a fact?
(08-09-2013 07:25 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 07:08 PM)I and I Wrote:  Using language and forming concepts like "fact" is a human method of understanding the world. Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

That statement is tautological and trivially true. Are you going anywhere with it?

(08-09-2013 07:08 PM)I and I Wrote:  And nobody is denying that we humans today can show that evolution is a fact.

Not here, no.

You need to explain to buckyball what he is missing.
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09-09-2013, 03:20 AM
RE: Do facts require belief for it to be a fact?
(08-09-2013 07:12 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 07:08 PM)I and I Wrote:  Using language and forming concepts like "fact" is a human method of understanding the world. Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

And nobody is denying that we humans today can show that evolution is a fact.

No Idiot Squared. Can't weasel out now.
You are implying above that Evolution was not a "fact" until it was named as one.
You just moved the goal post to NOW. You are saying at was not a "fact" until it was named as one. Memory problems again ? Are you loosing your mind ?

By your definition, it was once a "fact" that the earth was flat.

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I am asking you how evolution can be a fact with no mind to believe in it. Like say before humans even knew about it.

Oh and do you agree or disagree that using language and putting things into concepts like "facts" is a human method for understanding the real world YES OR NO.
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09-09-2013, 06:43 AM
RE: Do facts require belief for it to be a fact?
(09-09-2013 03:20 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 07:12 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No Idiot Squared. Can't weasel out now.
You are implying above that Evolution was not a "fact" until it was named as one.
You just moved the goal post to NOW. You are saying at was not a "fact" until it was named as one. Memory problems again ? Are you loosing your mind ?

By your definition, it was once a "fact" that the earth was flat.

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I am asking you how evolution can be a fact with no mind to believe in it. Like say before humans even knew about it.

Oh and do you agree or disagree that using language and putting things into concepts like "facts" is a human method for understanding the real world YES OR NO.

Shove your "facts" up your ass, until you provide a definition for the word. Troll.

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09-09-2013, 07:01 AM
RE: Do facts require belief for it to be a fact?
(09-09-2013 06:43 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 03:20 AM)I and I Wrote:  I am asking you how evolution can be a fact with no mind to believe in it. Like say before humans even knew about it.

Oh and do you agree or disagree that using language and putting things into concepts like "facts" is a human method for understanding the real world YES OR NO.

Shove your "facts" up your ass, until you provide a definition for the word. Troll.

It seems obvious to me that his definition of 'fact' is that it is a truth about reality contained in a person's mind.

It is not the common definition in use around these parts.

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09-09-2013, 08:09 AM
RE: Do facts require belief for it to be a fact?
(09-09-2013 07:01 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 06:43 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Shove your "facts" up your ass, until you provide a definition for the word. Troll.

It seems obvious to me that his definition of 'fact' is that it is a truth about reality contained in a person's mind.

It is not the common definition in use around these parts.

And share with the class just where a fact might exist if it's not a process of a human mind(s) method of relating to the real world and putting experiences into concepts?
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09-09-2013, 08:43 AM (This post was last modified: 09-09-2013 09:18 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Do facts require belief for it to be a fact?
"And nobody is denying that we humans today can show that evolution is a fact."
---- Idiot Squared

The process of Evolution was occurring for billions of years BEFORE it was recognized by humans as an actual process.

He doesn't deny the process existed. So WTF does he call it, BEFORE it was recognized ?
A "fantasy" ?

What is this ? The Mentally Challenged Atheist ?

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09-09-2013, 11:41 PM
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(09-09-2013 03:20 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 07:12 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No Idiot Squared. Can't weasel out now.
You are implying above that Evolution was not a "fact" until it was named as one.
You just moved the goal post to NOW. You are saying at was not a "fact" until it was named as one. Memory problems again ? Are you loosing your mind ?

By your definition, it was once a "fact" that the earth was flat.

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I am asking you how evolution can be a fact with no mind to believe in it. Like say before humans even knew about it.

Oh and do you agree or disagree that using language and putting things into concepts like "facts" is a human method for understanding the real world YES OR NO.

How can humans and minds have existed without evolution existing as a fact? If it wasn't a fact then, its not one today.

Putting ideas into categories is a human concept to understanding reality, yes... Facts may be one term also used.

You should answer this one: A rock is a rock, even if no human/mind is around to label it a rock: agree or disagree?

I understand the view you mean by this.. But its an unproven method of viewing reality. You can claim its reality all you want, that doesn't make it any more sound of an idea.

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10-09-2013, 02:11 AM (This post was last modified: 10-09-2013 04:16 AM by I and I.)
RE: Do facts require belief for it to be a fact?
(09-09-2013 11:41 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 03:20 AM)I and I Wrote:  I am asking you how evolution can be a fact with no mind to believe in it. Like say before humans even knew about it.

Oh and do you agree or disagree that using language and putting things into concepts like "facts" is a human method for understanding the real world YES OR NO.

How can humans and minds have existed without evolution existing as a fact? If it wasn't a fact then, its not one today.

Putting ideas into categories is a human concept to understanding reality, yes... Facts may be one term also used.

You should answer this one: A rock is a rock, even if no human/mind is around to label it a rock: agree or disagree?

I understand the view you mean by this.. But its an unproven method of viewing reality. You can claim its reality all you want, that doesn't make it any more sound of an idea.

A rock is not a rock if nobody believes it is a rock. Is it a rock to a fruit fly or a bird? No, because they don't have a mind like we do.

The movie scene where a coke bottle falls into an isolated tribe? The tribesmens minds did not believe it was a coke bottle and they were using it for other things.

Evolution is true for us today and for us in the past because we have minds that believe in that.

NOTE: This is not saying that what we call a rock or what we call a coke bottle doesn't exist as physical matter.
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10-09-2013, 02:29 AM
RE: Do facts require belief for it to be a fact?
no rocks stop being rocks when we look at them, that is how we break rocks and make streets and highways

anything u see is its relative existence so not a fact n never related to u

a fact by definition is an absolute thing, so a thing everywhere same, then it is about true existing things, then any conception of is way inferior to their realities that happen freely

u r not but relative too objectively as u r limited in space and subjectively as conscious being u die for sure

i and i, u keep mayb unconsciously turning around one point, the glory of one,,,conscious, will, sights, life...

while one is the wrong and evil opposition to truth

existence is objective fully
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