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02-03-2017, 03:08 PM
Do human beings have any intrinsic value?
As atheists do you think human life (as opposed to animal life) has any intrinsic value at all?

Just for the record, I don't believe atheists would love to just kill everyone in sight. I may not agree with you, but I at least give people like you some credit!


Are human beings important in the grand scheme of things? Are we as a species more worthy of respect and care than say baboons or insects?



If so, why are we?
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02-03-2017, 03:12 PM
RE: Do human beings have any intrinsic value?
(02-03-2017 03:08 PM)ProudCatholic Wrote:  As atheists do you think human life (as opposed to animal life) has any intrinsic value at all?

Are human beings important in the grand scheme of things? Are we as a species more worthy of respect and care than say baboons or insects?

If so, why are we?

You are asking as if there were some absolute value. The truth as I see it is that any given individual has all sorts of relative values. I am worth much more to my wife than to a stranger for instance.

What is "the grand scheme of things"?
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02-03-2017, 03:21 PM
RE: Do human beings have any intrinsic value?
No, and....no (for animals).

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02-03-2017, 03:22 PM
RE: Do human beings have any intrinsic value?
(02-03-2017 03:08 PM)ProudCatholic Wrote:  As atheists do you think human life (as opposed to animal life) has any intrinsic value at all?

No.

All statements of value are subjective. There is no objective standard by which anything, life or otherwise, can be said to have more value than anything else, because "value" is an inherently subjective property.

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02-03-2017, 03:24 PM
RE: Do human beings have any intrinsic value?
People have value to other people. To the universe, nil.

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02-03-2017, 03:26 PM
RE: Do human beings have any intrinsic value?
(02-03-2017 03:08 PM)ProudCatholic Wrote:  Are human beings important in the grand scheme of things? Are we as a species more worthy of respect and care than say baboons or insects?

No, they aren't. It's just that we belong to that species that makes us biased to protect our own. We don't know what animals are thinking about their own, so I don't know if that makes us special.

But, as has been said, my family and friends are certainly more important to me than any outsider.
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02-03-2017, 03:29 PM
RE: Do human beings have any intrinsic value?
(02-03-2017 03:08 PM)ProudCatholic Wrote:  As atheists do you think human life (as opposed to animal life) has any intrinsic value at all?

Just for the record, I don't believe atheists would love to just kill everyone in sight. I may not agree with you, but I at least give people like you some credit!


Are human beings important in the grand scheme of things? Are we as a species more worthy of respect and care than say baboons or insects?



If so, why are we?

Any value my life has is value that I and others (friends, family, government, coworkers, strangers, etc.) might put on it. That value will obviously be relative to the individual. No intrinsic value, though.

I certainly don't think killing another human is a moral thing to do in most circumstances. Not only are you cutting short an individual's only opportunity at life, you are hurting all those that value that person's life.

We aren't important in terms of the universe. When the last human dies, the universe will carry on as it did before the first human lived.

Are we more worthy of respect than other animals? Not objectively, no. But again, relatively, we certainly are. My family is more important to me than the life of other animals. My own life is more important to me than most all other animals, too. To most animals, their own lives would be more important to them than me. If I were in the woods, and a hungry bear came upon me and was able to kill me and eat me, it just might do that and not feel guilty about it.
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02-03-2017, 03:38 PM
RE: Do human beings have any intrinsic value?
Nope. Value is subjective, and as such can't be intrinsic.

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02-03-2017, 03:40 PM
RE: Do human beings have any intrinsic value?
Don't go and blow your load of questions all in one day. Maybe pace out your threads a bit more? Drinking Beverage

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02-03-2017, 03:44 PM
RE: Do human beings have any intrinsic value?
If something has value then it is because something else deems it to be so.
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