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06-05-2014, 05:26 PM
Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
The thread subject explains it all. I saw this comment on a Youtube video and I thought it would be worth discussing. Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist? I think this question can be a little tricky because it is true, that because of religion and because of the creation of Gods we had to separate ourselves and that resulted in the term Atheist, but at the same time we don't need a God to not believe in a God, we just don't believe in one because it doesn't fit the natural world and reality. What are your thoughts? Someone else made a comment which I thought was pretty good and it said:
Quote: Do non believers in unicorns need Unicorns in order to call themselves non-believers in unicorns?
No. In fact, 'non believers in unicorns' isn't even its own term, like 'atheism'.
It's the standard position.
The person that makes the claim 'unicorns exist' is required to explain it, not the person who does not believe in their existence.

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06-05-2014, 05:28 PM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(06-05-2014 05:26 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  The thread subject explains it all. I saw this comment on a Youtube video and I thought it would be worth discussing. Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist? I think this question can be a little tricky because it is true, that because of religion and because of the creation of Gods we had to separate ourselves and that resulted in the term Atheist, but at the same time we don't need a God to not believe in a God, we just don't believe in one because it doesn't fit the natural world and reality. What are your thoughts? Someone else made a comment which I thought was pretty good and it said:
Quote: Do non believers in unicorns need Unicorns in order to call themselves non-believers in unicorns?
No. In fact, 'non believers in unicorns' isn't even its own term, like 'atheism'.
It's the standard position.
The person that makes the claim 'unicorns exist' is required to explain it, not the person who does not believe in their existence.

Well Atheist is a reaction to the prevailing (incorrect and illogical) worldview that there is/are God/Gods if there comes to be a time when that is considered nonsense by the majority and only crackpots believe in imaginary friends then yes there would be a lack of a need for the term.

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06-05-2014, 05:30 PM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(06-05-2014 05:26 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  The thread subject explains it all. I saw this comment on a Youtube video and I thought it would be worth discussing. Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist? I think this question can be a little tricky because it is true, that because of religion and because of the creation of Gods we had to separate ourselves and that resulted in the term Atheist, but at the same time we don't need a God to not believe in a God, we just don't believe in one because it doesn't fit the natural world and reality. What are your thoughts? Someone else made a comment which I thought was pretty good and it said:
Quote: Do non believers in unicorns need Unicorns in order to call themselves non-believers in unicorns?
No. In fact, 'non believers in unicorns' isn't even its own term, like 'atheism'.
It's the standard position.
The person that makes the claim 'unicorns exist' is required to explain it, not the person who does not believe in their existence.

No, just the unsubstantiated claims of theists.

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06-05-2014, 05:39 PM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(06-05-2014 05:28 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 05:26 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  The thread subject explains it all. I saw this comment on a Youtube video and I thought it would be worth discussing. Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist? I think this question can be a little tricky because it is true, that because of religion and because of the creation of Gods we had to separate ourselves and that resulted in the term Atheist, but at the same time we don't need a God to not believe in a God, we just don't believe in one because it doesn't fit the natural world and reality. What are your thoughts? Someone else made a comment which I thought was pretty good and it said:

Well Atheist is a reaction to the prevailing (incorrect and illogical) worldview that there is/are God/Gods if there comes to be a time when that is considered nonsense by the majority and only crackpots believe in imaginary friends then yes there would be a lack of a need for the term.

Don't get your hopes up lol

(06-05-2014 05:30 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 05:26 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  The thread subject explains it all. I saw this comment on a Youtube video and I thought it would be worth discussing. Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist? I think this question can be a little tricky because it is true, that because of religion and because of the creation of Gods we had to separate ourselves and that resulted in the term Atheist, but at the same time we don't need a God to not believe in a God, we just don't believe in one because it doesn't fit the natural world and reality. What are your thoughts? Someone else made a comment which I thought was pretty good and it said:

No, just the unsubstantiated claims of theists.

But Atheism is denying of Deities, if no deities were ever created then the term Atheism would have never been created either.

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06-05-2014, 05:51 PM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(06-05-2014 05:26 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  I saw this comment on a Youtube video...

I think I found the problem Smile

Anyway, I agree with True Scotsman; atheism doesn't require gods, just the concept of gods. Everyone would be atheist if gods were never invented, but we wouldn't have a word for it.

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06-05-2014, 06:22 PM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(06-05-2014 05:51 PM)Can_of_Beans Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 05:26 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  I saw this comment on a Youtube video...

I think I found the problem Smile

Anyway, I agree with True Scotsman; atheism doesn't require gods, just the concept of gods. Everyone would be atheist if gods were never invented, but we wouldn't have a word for it.

If it helps it was a video of Neil deGrasse Tyson asking a question to Sam Harris.




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06-05-2014, 06:31 PM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(06-05-2014 06:22 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 05:51 PM)Can_of_Beans Wrote:  I think I found the problem Smile

If it helps it was a video of Neil deGrasse Tyson asking a question to Sam Harris.




Oh, no...the video wasn't the problem, it's comments on youtube. I've found they're rarely a bastion of rational discourse. Facepalm

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06-05-2014, 06:36 PM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
This is beyond stupid...

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06-05-2014, 06:45 PM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(06-05-2014 06:31 PM)Can_of_Beans Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 06:22 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  If it helps it was a video of Neil deGrasse Tyson asking a question to Sam Harris.




Oh, no...the video wasn't the problem, it's comments on youtube. I've found they're rarely a bastion of rational discourse. Facepalm

Or anywhere on the internet for that matter.

(06-05-2014 06:36 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  This is beyond stupid...

Thank you for your comment...

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06-05-2014, 06:48 PM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
Quote:Thank you for your comment...

Well it is.

If religion and God isn't a thing than who gives a fuck that atheism isn't a word???

It's stupid.

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