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07-05-2014, 03:50 PM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(07-05-2014 02:28 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(07-05-2014 02:24 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  There are people won don't believe in a god and still believe in other stupid things. Like ghosts.

That is just absurd, and so is this

SURE it's absurd, but I *know* one.


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(07-05-2014 02:24 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  . . .so yes, Buddhism is atheistic in nature, and thus a form of atheism.

You are describing factions of atheism, now. You could simply avoid this convolution

It's not a convolution. YOUR sad attempts to redefine everything to match your batshit ideas are the convolution.



Quote: by just realizing that Buddhism is correctly a faction of humanism; just as Christianity is a faction of theism.

You don't know what the fuck Buddhism is.


Making up shit as you go along went out with xtianity and other forms of pathological lying.

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08-05-2014, 01:00 AM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
Does anyone else get the feeling that Trainwreck was reading George Orwell's 1984 and saw Big Brother's double-think, and his forums posts here are his best attempt to put that concept into practice?

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08-05-2014, 01:11 AM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(07-05-2014 02:28 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(07-05-2014 02:24 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  There are people won don't believe in a god and still believe in other stupid things. Like ghosts.

That is just absurd, and so is this

(07-05-2014 02:24 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  . . .so yes, Buddhism is atheistic in nature, and thus a form of atheism.

You are describing factions of atheism, now. You could simply avoid this convolution by just realizing that Buddhism is correctly a faction of humanism; just as Christianity is a faction of theism.

TrainWreck is apparently allergic to Google:

Quote:Humanistic" (human-realm) Buddhism (Chinese: 人間佛教; pinyin: rénjiān fójiào) is a modern Buddhist philosophy practiced mostly by Mahayana Buddhists. It is the integration of people's spiritual practice into all aspects of their daily lives[citation needed]. Buddhist monastics such as Taixu and Yinshun are seen as earlier pioneers of the movement[citation needed], which migrated to Taiwanese Buddhism through other Buddhist leaders, such as Cheng Yen, Hsing Yun, and Sheng Yen.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanistic_Buddhism

Hey look! Only one modern form of Buddhism is identified as humanist.

Quote:Buddhism is a nontheistic religion[1][2] that encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and practices largely based on teachings attributed to Siddhartha Gautama, who is commonly known as the Buddha, meaning "the awakened one".

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08-05-2014, 01:16 AM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(07-05-2014 02:55 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Cheese - a dairy substance that is opposed to milk

Cheese is a dairy substance that is opposed to milk in public policy. If they didn't serve milk in schools, why would anyone eat cheese?

Are you really so stupid you don't get this? You'd better figure it out before the dairy farmers figure it out for you and claim all the credit.
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08-05-2014, 01:40 AM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(07-05-2014 12:55 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  The definitions need to be corrected. Buddhism is a humanist religion. Atheism is a political doctrine opposed to theist religious doctrine as the basis of public policy.

Well, if you insist on arguing about the definition of "atheism" with a Greek person of close to excellent knowledge of Greek, a decent knowledge of Ancient Greek and studies on the English language and linguistics, here it goes.

"Atheism" comes from the Ancient Greek word "άθεος" (and not "αθεϊστής"-"atheist", that is, without the suffix -ist or -ism, which denotes belief or principle) which is broken down to:

(prefix) α - expresses negation or absence (like English "un")
θεός - simply means "god"

This can only be translated as "not god" or "without a god". The term was rather insulting in Ancient Greece and it was meant for those who did not worship the gods.

Now, funny thing about linguistics and definitions. There is no absolute, universal, immune-to-change definition for any word. "Άθεος" may mean a lot in Greek, in the same way that a school bag and a plastic bag are different things, but we still use the same word for them, because they have something in common.

"Atheist" means "without god". This may mean many things and, from a linguistic point of view, anyone is free to call themselves an atheist and mean anything relevant to "without god".

To sum up, you cannot decide what "atheism" means. No one can.

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08-05-2014, 04:25 AM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
Nope. All you need is some idiot flapping their gums about a theology they don't understand. Then you go Imma atheist and hopefully they flap the fuck away. Big Grin

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08-05-2014, 06:06 AM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
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08-05-2014, 06:42 AM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
Wow, I was looking for a thread that is not about TW. Wow, he's like God- omnipresent. Consider

What came first theists or atheists?

Theists of course.

See, we (atheists) don't need God; she doesn't exist.

But we (atheists) do need theists, troublesome as they are; they help define we who call ourselves atheist.

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08-05-2014, 07:06 AM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(07-05-2014 03:50 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  You don't know what the fuck Buddhism is.

A Buddhist is going to reject theism as an appropriate classification category

Why would a Buddhist reject humanism as an appropriate classification category if atheism is correct? What is it about the doctrine of humanism that is unacceptable for Buddhists?

Humanism - ontological doctrine that posits that humans define reality
Theism - ontological doctrine that posits a supernatural entity creates and defines reality
Atheism - political doctrine opposed to theist doctrine in public policy
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08-05-2014, 07:07 AM
RE: Do non-believers need God in order to call themselves Atheist?
(08-05-2014 04:25 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Nope. All you need is some idiot flapping their gums about a theology they don't understand. Then you go Imma atheist and hopefully they flap the fuck away. Big Grin

I'll bet you work with them mother-fuckers every day.

Humanism - ontological doctrine that posits that humans define reality
Theism - ontological doctrine that posits a supernatural entity creates and defines reality
Atheism - political doctrine opposed to theist doctrine in public policy
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