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28-09-2016, 08:25 AM
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 06:42 AM)tomilay Wrote:  
(28-09-2016 06:06 AM)Chas Wrote:  That is not a valid comparison, as the Jews were not dissenting Nazis.

That is a strawman. The validity of the comparison is predicated on the fact that they are both refugees who have left their countries without fixing the thing that made them flee in the first place.

You utterly miss the point. It's not about fixing the country, it's about renouncing the ideology of those who claim to be of the same religion.

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28-09-2016, 08:29 AM
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 07:24 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(28-09-2016 06:04 AM)Chas Wrote:  I am referring to the ones who have emigrated.

OK, but maybe trying to build a new life in a foreign country is a full-time job (I know it would be for me), and they don't exactly have the time or energy to get up on a soapbox and tell the world how bad ISIS is (as if the world doesn't already know that).

I'm not expecting them to climb onto soapboxes, but they should actively protest mosques that radicalize their youth.

Quote:Using Tomilay's example, I also would not have expected every Jew who left Nazi Germany to publicly denounce the Nazis. It was unnecessary, and they had more pressing concerns.

Tomilay's example is inapt.

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28-09-2016, 08:31 AM
RE: Do or Die
(27-09-2016 03:59 PM)Stevil Wrote:  I would consider myself "liberal", although I'm not entirely sure what that label means.
I am happy for people to make their own choices, to lead their own lives. I don't want government being big brother.
But what I think you are describing is not "liberal" but is instead "socialist", left wing stuff. I'm not a fan of socialist policies. I do think that giving out hand outs creates dependencies and implementing "affirmative action" also creates lazy people and dependencies and also resentment and racism etc.
I want equal opportunity rather than equality. I want people to be optimists where they are in control of their own destiny e.g. they put in the effort and they can then get rewards for that, rather than pessimists where it doesn't matter what they do, their destiny is not in their hands.
As a liberal, I want people to be in the drivers seat of their own destiny, I don't want them to expect handouts, to expect government enforced special privileges based on ethnicity or gender. I want them not to expect anything and instead realise that they need to make an effort. My "liberalness" is at odds with "socialism".

From the stuff you put out, I would place you about center right at the very least. A Rebublican. You see programs that support people down on their luck as handouts. That people are poor because they are lazy. Affirmative action rewards laziness and creates racism. I don't know what you think of tax cuts for the rich and increased military. But that's as far from liberal as anything I can think of.

Liberals are what some would refer to as SJWs. In the US, both mainstream parties have shifted right of the population they represent. That partly explains Trump and Bernie Sanders support, even though both groups are energized by different hot button issues.

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28-09-2016, 08:35 AM
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 08:25 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(28-09-2016 06:42 AM)tomilay Wrote:  That is a strawman. The validity of the comparison is predicated on the fact that they are both refugees who have left their countries without fixing the thing that made them flee in the first place.

You utterly miss the point. It's not about fixing the country, it's about renouncing the ideology of those who claim to be of the same religion.

It's a strawman.

Even then,




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28-09-2016, 08:40 AM
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 08:35 AM)tomilay Wrote:  
(28-09-2016 08:25 AM)Chas Wrote:  You utterly miss the point. It's not about fixing the country, it's about renouncing the ideology of those who claim to be of the same religion.

It's a strawman.

Even then,




I am happy to see some are doing that. Are there more examples?

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28-09-2016, 08:51 AM
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 08:40 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(28-09-2016 08:35 AM)tomilay Wrote:  It's a strawman.

Even then,




I am happy to see some are doing that. Are there more examples?

Just google there are more.

For me, the real problem are not demonstrators coming out or not. But human intelligence - not just electronic and immigration surveillance.

I think we are doing badly on that front. And that is a good reason to not alienate Muslims in the US. Because it further weakens our humint capabilities.

We need to get past feeling better with denunciations, and denying links with terror on immigration forms(like they would admit it if they did), to focusing on actual actionable intelligence.

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28-09-2016, 09:05 AM
RE: Do or Die
(27-09-2016 11:34 PM)The Dark One Wrote:  
Quote:Also goes for his "my experience "argument or as i like to call it the Lee Stroble effect it tends to sound like this"i know all about how atheists think they just want to sin see i know because i have experience etc"
so yeah tickle me Skeptical


Quote:You're just incapable of admitting you may not know everything, aren't you?
Why would i admit or deny a claim i have never claimed nor implied i can say with tentative certainty thus far that i know more then you .Are you claiming that the only way i can no more then you is if i know all ?.

Quote:The arrogance is obviously compensation for something,
Nope that's far from obvious it's asserted as weak psychoanalysis but obvious no

Quote:I'm curious what that might be.
I'm am too because as far as the state of evidence goes no such state of affairs exists

Quote:The way you refuse to accept that someone may simply have come to a different conclusion based on different life experience is also telling...
This sounds disturbingly like like a theists trying to use the argument from religious experience to prove support the existence of god or maybe even presuppositionalism

Quote:As is the way you want to discredit me in some fashion.
Pointing out the fact that your rhetoric seems suspiciously similar to tactics used by creationist and racist groups is criticism not desecration. It's your rhetoric if you don't like me pointing out stop using it.


Quote: My guess is that life hasn't turned out quite the way you wanted it to,
Does anyone's life go actually to some set plan. I have openly stated some of my failures on this forum.And will state even more in future if they become relevant .This has no bearing on why on anything really least of all point out why your reasoning is awful and your ignorance is clear .
Quote:
and that you use situations like this
,
You mean situations where i criticize you and your bullshit claims the same as i do Creationists woo merchants or christian fundamentalist all of whom could try this same psycho babel


Quote:where you can retain your anonymity and create and become a more appealing persona, to counter feelings of inadequacy.
If my current so called persona is really the most appealing character i can come up with wow a lack of adequacy would be the least of my concerns as for my choice to not post every detail of my life to mostly strangers .....

"The only people who don't recognize the value of life experience are people who don't have any."
Nope the people who don't see the value of experience are people who don't see the value of experience. This says nothing of how much they have. Only how much they value it when answering critical questions about life the universe and everything .

Quote:One day, perhaps you'll gain some perspective and pull your head out of your ass, although I rather doubt it.
Nope i have all the perspective i need thank you Perspectives not built on what is equivalent of seeing Jesus during an NDE

Quote:Why you seem to believe I have some deep need to impress people who I don't know and who have no idea who I am is puzzling
No what's puzzling is were you keep getting belief from .Me pointing out you have this strange fixation with talking about you credentials rather then simply showing them . I mean rocksergeon doesn't need to tell me his background in biology he just states his case and his evidence this stands on it's own. it has nothing to do with trying to psychoanalyze you

Quote:. What good would it do me to tell you I drive F1 cars for a living if you have no idea who I am...? What could a person gain from something like that?
This is the same argument paranormalist Winton Wu . Uses when defending psychics and homeopaths who don't do it for money or fame .And my response to you is the same as his. I don't care why you would lie .Is not the question is how your story is suspicious as i have mentioned before weather you have a desire for gain or not is a none issue .
Quote:This is the arrogance that I'm talking about
Indeed you talk and talk and talk of arrogance if only you would get around to showing it

- you, and to a lesser degree, tomilay,
He can defend himself

Quote: find it incomprehensible that I could have had experiences in my life that make me feel less than charitable towards a people who have not had peace in their culture,for any length of time,in millennia...
Your right i can't comprehend how any rational human being can take a massively complex concept like a region and it's people .And water it down to "Muslims are evil animals and there culture sucks. And make that determination on mere experience

Quote:Your own life experiences have been so limited or so sheltered that you are
incredibly naive about these people,
Nope my experience with" those people"is both varied and extensive but ultimately irrelevant to my assessment of them .
Quote:Yet you chalk it up completely to my prejudice and bigotry-
No you clearly display both with your own words

Quote:Completely disregarding world events
I'm well aware of world events the underlaying reason there happening

Quote:The experiences in my life,

Which has no real value

Quote:the experiences of others who have spent time in the region,
Which are over all worthless in a greater assessment (including my own) which is why i don't rely on it .or on the assessment of those who agree with who have lived and do live there .

Quote: And even of members of this culture who frequently speak out against its harshness, its xenophobia, its religious fanaticism
.
Yup iv'e read these criticisms there okay as to who these criticism apply(a small minority) .But as a whole they tend to be vague unfocused and countered quite easily of which i also read . Every culture has critics i just don't find internal Islamic ones very good at making a case that holds under fire .
Quote:Everyone has to be making all of this stuff up,
Never said that .I only said your particular story was fishy and similar to racist
tactics and i address the rest above.

Quote:Because you know those lovely people are big hearted and kind, right? Because
The vast majority yes a portion no

Quote:Hillary told you so?
Why would i care what she thinks?

Quote:I don't know where you get your information-

clearly not
Quote:I only know where you do NOT get it
.
You mean i don't rely on antidotal evidence and shallow critics woe is me

Quote:I have traveled extensively all of my life
Same but irrelevant

Quote:From growing up in a military family
from a military family too but unimportant

t
Quote:o my own military career and my own civilian career, to a pure love of travel, for travel's sake. I love other cultures, I speak 3 languages fluently, and a half dozen more to various degrees. I immerse myself in other cultures, I don't stay in the hotel or at the secluded resort and pretend I have visited a foreign land by collecting postcards from the airport gift shop. Everyone in my life knows this about me- they also know that I am extremely fair in my opinions about others, and even though I have held positions of authority, I have never abused those positions.
I don't care really. Seriously no one needs to try so hard to show there well traveled it should be reflected in there posts not become a small auto biography

Quote:I had a reputation all through school for defending the underdog- I was in dozens of fights in elementary school thru high school- I only remember one that had to do with me, the rest were in defense of someone I felt was being mistreated. That's just my nature, and always has been- I'm sure it's why I gravitated towards the military and law enforcement.
Uh huh again no one should need to try this hard to try and show there honest it should be reflected in there posts or conduct in the forum .Not something they need to write a novel about .

Quote:My kids are all grown, but they'll tell you this as well...I once spent a night in jail while my wife and 3 kids and I were on vacation in Florida at Disney world. I saw a man punch his wife in a restaurant, and I beat him unconscious. I sat in jail until it was all sorted out- I was vindicated in the end. I would do it again. I can't NOT do it.
Since your children aren't here that's hardly revilvant but even if they were there personal assessment of you means diddle to me .

Quote:When you accuse me of hating a race or group of people unfairly, without cause, it's ludicrous. I have to have a great deal of evidence before I can hate anyone- it goes against everything I believe in to condemn a person or people unjustly.
Yup i have first thing you have accused me of that i actually said congrats but again you falter it should not take a paragraph describing how fair you are to show your fair need i finish
Quote:But you can't seem to believe that I have seen and experienced anything that would make me unwilling to risk innocent lives blindly
,
Yup i don't believe you seen anything near enough to make the sweeping assessments you do


Quote:when it comes to this segment of a society that has not managed to maintain peace in its own backyard...well, in a very, very, very long time.
yup the middle east etc is definitly troubled

Quote:Why haven't they had peace?
The reason is a complex one which you will now sum up in the most simplistic way imaginable

Quote:Do you remember the answer to that questio
n?
I can't remember a answer that doesn't exist
Quote: It isn't a matter of opinion...
No it most certainly is
Quote:it isn't a vague notion..
.
Nope it's pretty vague
Quote:it is not a conservative trick.
WTF

Quote:The middle east has been almost constantly at war because of religious intolerance. Period.
Nope it's been a factor(to a debatable degree) but not the cause

Quote:My God is better than your God, essentially.

I think i addressed above

Quote:Yes, they seem like an enlightened people,
Yes most of them are some of them are not

Quote:what was I thinking?
Anyone's guess

Quote:They not only fanatically believe in nonexistent omnipotent beings
last i checked they only believed in one god and no most are not fanatics there devout to varied degrees just like every other relgion

but they believe those beings want them to hate and destroy their neighbors whose omnipotent imaginary beings told them to hate the other guys!
Some passages say to hate and kill other say opposite it's a contradictory mess just like the bible .Because it was not written in the manor most Muslims believe it was. Just like the bible.Some think it says one thing some are convinced of the opposite.

Quote:Oh, I take it all back, these people are brilliant, loving, caring folks
Again most of them are

Quote:who only want to raise their children in peace and play shuffleboard down at the rec center on Wednesday afternoons.
Some do some not

Obviously! How could I have been so blind?
No idea

Quote:Oh, and I guess there is a secondary cause of war and revolution in the middle east
Religion is not even the first cause it's not even a cause it's a symptom
Quote:...horrific human rights violations by various evil dictators.
Yup the middle east has had dictators how have done awful things so has everywhere else

Quote:Only a coincidence, I'm certain.
Nope the factors that make the up middle east are complex not consequential

Quote:Do you dispute any of this, by any chance? I'm only curious.
Dispute them nope understand the context of why they occurred and what all the factors that lead to them yup .Your appeal to big scary numbers leaves me cold .
(see dorky's original post)


Quote:What a humanitarian! I'm quite certain he is atypical. Right?
Yup he was a monster so was Stalin he was the exception to Europeans (and maybe atheists)
(see dorkys original post)


Quote:By Jennifer Bonne
Ahh Blondie Boone i's been years since i have read her derp .Should be good nistagia and a laugh like when read poison mushrooms for the second time. or Death style or that bunch of chick tracts i keep by the toilet but little else
(see dorky's original post)


Quote:This is very accurate- read it, research it if you need to. It is.
Done so years ago it's garbage like everything else on jihad watch i might a well read an article by micheal behe on biology there about equal
Quote:[quote]So with this in mind...why do they want to immigrate HERE, of all places?
I find you question even more curuios then what it's questioning

Quote:You seriously are so naive that you can't even entertain the notion of ulterior and perhaps nefarious motives?

Yes i think i think your contention of nefarious motives is weapons grade shit that's not nativity it just isn't cynicism

Quote:Every cautious thought, every accusation is simply some wacko conspiracy theory, isn't it?
pretty much you had a point ?

Quote:Zero life experience.
Sigh lots of experience i just don't turn it into a gospel on which serious issues will be judged

Quote:I hope you are never placed in a situation where your own good sense is the only thing standing between you and death. I hope you survive your wake up call.
I faced death twice i cheated it twice by good sense .And my good sense informs me your full of shit. but it's still not gospel

Quote:[quote]I've wasted enough time on you. I'm sorry that you are so ignorant and obtuse, but I can't help you. My advice? Wear a helmet.
Same to you but a tinfoil hat might suit you better to protect you from the jihadist mind control rays

Quote:I mean, just every day. Wear a helmet. Seriously. Even in the bathtub. Really. Please.
Watch out for Muslim ray guns and always wear hat dorky

Quote:You have served as a needed distraction, until my stomach gave out though...so, thanks.
Really what weak stomach you have so sad a suggest a laxatives maybe you should read your own posts i know they turn me into a soft serve machine

Quote:Ciao'.
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28-09-2016, 09:18 AM (This post was last modified: 28-09-2016 03:32 PM by OrdoSkeptica.)
RE: Do or Die
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Quote:Also goes for his "my experience "argument or as i like to call it the Lee Stroble effect it tends to sound like this"i know all about how atheists think they just want to sin see i know because i have experience etc"
so yeah tickle me Skeptical


Quote:You're just incapable of admitting you may not know everything, aren't you?

Why would i admit or deny a claim i have never claimed nor implied i can say with tentative certainty thus far that i know more then you .Are you claiming that the only way i can no more then you is if i know all ?.

Quote:The arrogance is obviously compensation for something,

Nope that's far from obvious it's asserted as weak psychoanalysis but obvious no

Quote:I'm curious what that might be.

I'm am too because as far as the state of evidence goes no such state of affairs exists

Quote:The way you refuse to accept that someone may simply have come to a different conclusion based on different life experience is also telling...

This sounds disturbingly like like a theists trying to use the argument from religious experience to prove support the existence of god or maybe even presuppositionalism

Quote:As is the way you want to discredit me in some fashion.

Pointing out the fact that your rhetoric seems suspiciously similar to tactics used by
creationist and racist groups is criticism not desecration. It's your rhetoric if you don't like me pointing out stop using it.


Quote: My guess is that life hasn't turned out quite the way you wanted it to,

Does anyone's life go actually to some set plan. I have openly stated some of my failures on this forum.And will state even more in future if they become relevant .This has no bearing on why on anything really least of all point out why your reasoning is awful and your ignorance is clear .

Quote:and that you use situations like this

You mean situations where i criticize you and your bullshit claims the same as i do Creationists woo merchants or christian fundamentalist all of whom could try this same psycho babel


Quote:where you can retain your anonymity and create and become a more appealing persona, to counter feelings of inadequacy.

If my current so called persona is really the most appealing character i can come up with wow a lack of adequacy would be the least of my concerns as for my choice to not post every detail of my life to mostly strangers .....

"The only people who don't recognize the value of life experience are people who don't have any."

Nope the people who don't see the value of experience are people who don't see the value of experience. This says nothing of how much they have. Only how much they value it when answering critical questions about life the universe and everything .

Quote:One day, perhaps you'll gain some perspective and pull your head out of your ass, although I rather doubt it.

Nope i have all the perspective i need thank you Perspectives not built on what is equivalent of seeing Jesus during an NDE

Quote:Why you seem to believe I have some deep need to impress people who I don't know and who have no idea who I am is puzzling

No what's puzzling is were you keep getting belief from .Me pointing out you have this strange fixation with talking about you credentials rather then simply showing them . I mean rocksergeon doesn't need to tell me his background in biology he just states his case and his evidence this stands on it's own. it has nothing to do with trying to psychoanalyze you

Quote:. What good would it do me to tell you I drive F1 cars for a living if you have no idea who I am...? What could a person gain from something like that?

This is the same argument paranormalist Winton Wu . Uses when defending psychics and homeopaths who don't do it for money or fame .And my response to you is the same as his. I don't care why you would lie .Is not the question is how your story is suspicious as i have mentioned before weather you have a desire for gain or not is a none issue

Quote:This is the arrogance that I'm talking about

Indeed you talk and talk and talk of arrogance if only you would get around to showing it


Quote:- you, and to a lesser degree, tomilay,

He can defend himself

Quote: find it incomprehensible that I could have had experiences in my life that make me feel less than charitable towards a people who have not had peace in their culture,for any length of time,in millennia...

Your right i can't comprehend how any rational human being can take a massively complex concept like a region and it's people .And water it down to "Muslims are evil animals and there culture sucks. And make that determination on mere experience

Quote:Your own life experiences have been so limited or so sheltered that you are
incredibly naive about these people,

;)Nope my experience with" those people"is both varied and extensive but ultimately irrelevant to my assessment of them .
Quote:Yet you chalk it up completely to my prejudice and bigotry-

No you clearly display both with your own words

Quote:Completely disregarding world events

I'm well aware of world events the underlaying reason there happening

Quote:The experiences in my life,


Which has no real value

Quote:the experiences of others who have spent time in the region,

Which are over all worthless in a greater assessment (including my own) which is why i don't rely on it .or on the assessment of those who agree with who have lived and do live there .

Quote: And even of members of this culture who frequently speak out against its harshness, its xenophobia, its religious fanaticism
.

Yup iv'e read these criticisms there okay as to who these criticism apply(a small minority) .But as a whole they tend to be vague unfocused and countered quite easily of which i also read . Every culture has critics i just don't find internal Islamic ones very good at making a case that holds under fire .

Everyone has to be making all of this stuff up,[/quote]

Never said that .I only said your particular story was fishy and similar to racist
tactics and i address the rest above.

Quote:Because you know those lovely people are big hearted and kind, right? Because

The vast majority yes a portion no

Quote:Hillary told you so?

Why would i care what she thinks?

Quote:I don't know where you get your information-


clearly not


Quote:I only know where you do NOT get it

You mean i don't rely on antidotal evidence and shallow critics woe is me

Quote:I have traveled extensively all of my life

Same but irrelevant

Quote:From growing up in a military family

from a military family too but unimportant

t
Quote:o my own military career and my own civilian career, to a pure love of travel, for travel's sake. I love other cultures, I speak 3 languages fluently, and a half dozen more to various degrees. I immerse myself in other cultures, I don't stay in the hotel or at the secluded resort and pretend I have visited a foreign land by collecting postcards from the airport gift shop. Everyone in my life knows this about me- they also know that I am extremely fair in my opinions about others, and even though I have held positions of authority, I have never abused those positions.

I don't care really. Seriously no one needs to try so hard to show there well traveled it should be reflected in there posts not become a small auto biography

Quote:I had a reputation all through school for defending the underdog- I was in dozens of fights in elementary school thru high school- I only remember one that had to do with me, the rest were in defense of someone I felt was being mistreated. That's just my nature, and always has been- I'm sure it's why I gravitated towards the military and law enforcement.

Uh huh again no one should need to try this hard to try and show there honest it should be reflected in there posts or conduct in the forum .Not something they need to write a novel about .

Quote:My kids are all grown, but they'll tell you this as well...I once spent a night in jail while my wife and 3 kids and I were on vacation in Florida at Disney world. I saw a man punch his wife in a restaurant, and I beat him unconscious. I sat in jail until it was all sorted out- I was vindicated in the end. I would do it again. I can't NOT do it.

Since your children aren't here that's hardly revilvant but even if they were there personal assessment of you means diddle to me .

Quote:When you accuse me of hating a race or group of people unfairly, without cause, it's ludicrous. I have to have a great deal of evidence before I can hate anyone- it goes against everything I believe in to condemn a person or people unjustly.

Yup i have first thing you have accused me of that i actually said congrats but again you falter it should not take a paragraph describing how fair you are to show your fair need i finish
Quote:But you can't seem to believe that I have seen and experienced anything that would make me unwilling to risk innocent lives blindly
,

Yup i don't believe you seen anything near enough to make the sweeping assessments you do


Quote:when it comes to this segment of a society that has not managed to maintain peace in its own backyard...well, in a very, very, very long time.

yup the middle east etc is definitly troubled

Quote:Why haven't they had peace?

The reason is a complex one which you will now sum up in the most simplistic way imaginable

Quote:Do you remember the answer to that questio
n?

I can't remember a answer that doesn't exist

Quote: It isn't a matter of opinion...

No it most certainly is

Quote:it isn't a vague notion..
.

Nope it's pretty vague

Quote:it is not a conservative trick.

WTF

Quote:The middle east has been almost constantly at war because of religious intolerance. Period.

Nope it's been a factor(to a debatable degree) but not the cause

Quote:My God is better than your God, essentially.


I think i addressed above

Quote:Yes, they seem like an enlightened people,

Yes most of them are some of them are not

Quote:what was I thinking?

Anyone's guess

Quote:They not only fanatically believe in nonexistent omnipotent beings

last i checked they only believed in one god and no most are not fanatics there devout to varied degrees just like every other relgion

but they believe those beings want them to hate and destroy their neighbors whose omnipotent imaginary beings told them to hate the other guys!

Some passages say to hate and kill other say opposite it's a contradictory mess just like the bible .Because it was not written in the manor most Muslims believe it was. Just like the bible.Some think it says one thing some are convinced of the opposite.

Quote:Oh, I take it all back, these people are brilliant, loving, caring folks

Again most of them are

Quote:who only want to raise their children in peace and play shuffleboard down at the rec center on Wednesday afternoons.

Some do some not

Obviously! How could I have been so blind?

No idea

Quote:Oh, and I guess there is a secondary cause of war and revolution in the middle east

Religion is not even the first cause it's not even a cause it's a symptom

...horrific human rights violations by various evil dictators. [/quote]

Yup the middle east has had dictators how have done awful things so has everywhere else

Quote:Only a coincidence, I'm certain.

Nope the factors that make the up middle east are complex not consequential

Quote:Do you dispute any of this, by any chance? I'm only curious.

Dispute them nope understand the context of why they occurred and what all the factors that lead to them yup .Your appeal to big scary numbers leaves me cold .
(see dorky's original post)


Quote:What a humanitarian! I'm quite certain he is atypical. Right?

Yup he was a monster so was Stalin he was the exception to Europeans (and maybe atheists)
(see dorkys original post)


Quote:By Jennifer Bonne

Ahh Blondie Boone i's been years since i have read her derp .Should be good nistagia and a laugh like when read poison mushrooms for the second time. or Death style or that bunch of chick tracts i keep by the toilet but little else
(see dorky's original post)


Quote:This is very accurate- read it, research it if you need to. It is.

Done so years ago it's garbage like everything else on jihad watch i might a well read an article by Micheal Behe on biology there about equal

Quote:So with this in mind...why do they want to immigrate HERE, of all places?

I find you question even more curious then what it's questioning

Quote:You seriously are so naive that you can't even entertain the notion of ulterior and perhaps nefarious motives?


Yes i think i think your contention of nefarious motives is weapons grade shit that's not nativity it just isn't cynicism

Quote:Every cautious thought, every accusation is simply some wacko conspiracy theory, isn't it?

pretty much you had a point ?

Quote:Zero life experience.

Sigh lots of experience i just don't turn it into a gospel on which serious issues will be judged

Quote:I hope you are never placed in a situation where your own good sense is the only thing standing between you and death. I hope you survive your wake up call.

I faced death twice i cheated it twice by good sense .And my good sense informs me your full of shit. but it's still not gospel

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Quote:I've wasted enough time on you. I'm sorry that you are so ignorant and obtuse, but I can't help you. My advice? Wear a helmet.

Same to you but a tinfoil hat might suit you better to protect you from the jihadist mind control rays

Quote:I mean, just every day. Wear a helmet. Seriously. Even in the bathtub. Really. Please.

Watch out for Muslim ray guns and always wear hat dorky

Quote:You have served as a needed distraction, until my stomach gave out though...so, thanks.

Really what weak stomach you have so sad a suggest a laxatives maybe you should read your own posts i know they turn me into a soft serve machine

Quote:Ciao'.

Whatever

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28-09-2016, 09:19 AM (This post was last modified: 28-09-2016 09:52 AM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 02:14 AM)The Dark One Wrote:  Expecting the rich to pay for it is punishing people for succeeding...before long they'll either decide it's not worth it to work so hard, ...

Many of them don't work at all. They do whatever the hell they feel like. Because they can. Their money does the work. At a 15% tax rate. Which is what an individual making $9,275 to $37,650 or a married couple making $18,550 to $75,300 pays on the amount over $9,275. Sounds perfectly fair to me.




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28-09-2016, 09:39 AM
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(27-09-2016 11:34 PM)The Dark One Wrote:  Why you seem to believe I have some deep need to impress people who I don't know and who have no idea who I am is puzzling. [...]

I'm only guessing here, but two possibilities come to mind: An overarching lack of self-esteem, plus delusions of grandeur. Both of these point to a desperate need to impress people—a need you've shown here multiple times with all your war stories and qualifications etc.

Quote:Your own life experiences have been so limited or so sheltered that you are incredibly naive about these people [...]

This claim is totally presumptuous on your part—considering that you've never met the person behind the screen name and know absolutely zero about his/her background. These sorts of comments (and numerous past others of yours) are patronising, condescending and insult the intelligence of people taking the time and effort in responding to you. Please desist.

Quote:I have traveled extensively all of my life. From growing up in a military family, to my own military career and my own civilian career, to a pure love of travel, [...]

So have I. What's your point in saying this?

Quote:I once spent a night in jail while my wife and 3 kids and I were on vacation in Florida at Disney world. I saw a man punch his wife in a restaurant, and I beat him unconscious.

Coupled with your history of multiple fights in the schoolyard, this merely illustrates that you're the sort of person who just can't resist sticking his nose into other peoples' business in the guise of "heroism". This aligns neatly with my earlier guess about your lack of self esteem—you just have to be seen as the big man. And you're apparently proud of spending a night in jail after beating another human being unconscious? Seriously?

Quote:I've wasted enough time on you. I'm sorry that you are so ignorant and obtuse, but I can't help you. My advice? Wear a helmet. I mean, just every day. Wear a helmet. Seriously. Even in the bathtub. Really. Please.

Even more offensive, arrogant condescension. I'm sure we're all inconsolably upset that you "can't help us" LOL. You also seem to think that you've some god-given [sic] right to criticise and denigrate everybody here who doesn't agree with your self-centred opinions of the world and its varied sociopolitical agendas. Dodgy

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