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28-09-2016, 09:39 AM
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 06:07 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-09-2016 03:20 PM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  Go find a few and ask them personally.

The point is that I should be able to hear them without having to ask.

Nobody has ever been that special, Chas. Drinking Beverage

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28-09-2016, 10:11 AM
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 09:39 AM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  
(28-09-2016 06:07 AM)Chas Wrote:  The point is that I should be able to hear them without having to ask.

Nobody has ever been that special, Chas. Drinking Beverage

How droll. Dodgy

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28-09-2016, 10:18 AM
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 10:11 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(28-09-2016 09:39 AM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  Nobody has ever been that special, Chas. Drinking Beverage

How droll. Dodgy

Indeed I am. Drinking Beverage

The drolliest of the droll. The droll hole.

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28-09-2016, 03:37 PM
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 09:18 AM)OrdoSkeptica Wrote:  'The Dark One' pid='1066115' dateline='1475040873']


Quote:Also goes for his "my experience "argument or as i like to call it the Lee Stroble effect it tends to sound like this"i know all about how atheists think they just want to sin see i know because i have experience etc"
so yeah tickle me Skeptical


Quote:You're just incapable of admitting you may not know everything, aren't you?

Why would i admit or deny a claim i have never claimed nor implied i can say with tentative certainty thus far that i know more then you .Are you claiming that the only way i can no more then you is if i know all ?.

Quote:The arrogance is obviously compensation for something,

Nope that's far from obvious it's asserted as weak psychoanalysis but obvious no

Quote:I'm curious what that might be.

I'm am too because as far as the state of evidence goes no such state of affairs exists

Quote:The way you refuse to accept that someone may simply have come to a different conclusion based on different life experience is also telling...

This sounds disturbingly like like a theists trying to use the argument from religious experience to prove support the existence of god or maybe even presuppositionalism

Quote:As is the way you want to discredit me in some fashion.

Pointing out the fact that your rhetoric seems suspiciously similar to tactics used by
creationist and racist groups is criticism not desecration. It's your rhetoric if you don't like me pointing out stop using it.


Quote: My guess is that life hasn't turned out quite the way you wanted it to,

Does anyone's life go actually to some set plan. I have openly stated some of my failures on this forum.And will state even more in future if they become relevant .This has no bearing on why on anything really least of all point out why your reasoning is awful and your ignorance is clear .

Quote:and that you use situations like this

You mean situations where i criticize you and your bullshit claims the same as i do Creationists woo merchants or christian fundamentalist all of whom could try this same psycho babel


Quote:where you can retain your anonymity and create and become a more appealing persona, to counter feelings of inadequacy.

If my current so called persona is really the most appealing character i can come up with wow a lack of adequacy would be the least of my concerns as for my choice to not post every detail of my life to mostly strangers .....

Quote:"The only people who don't recognize the value of life experience are people who don't have any."

Nope the people who don't see the value of experience are people who don't see the value of experience. This says nothing of how much they have. Only how much they value it when answering critical questions about life the universe and everything .

Quote:One day, perhaps you'll gain some perspective and pull your head out of your ass, although I rather doubt it.

Nope i have all the perspective i need thank you Perspectives not built on what is equivalent of seeing Jesus during an NDE

Quote:Why you seem to believe I have some deep need to impress people who I don't know and who have no idea who I am is puzzling

No what's puzzling is were you keep getting belief from .Me pointing out you have this strange fixation with talking about you credentials rather then simply showing them . I mean rocksergeon doesn't need to tell me his background in biology he just states his case and his evidence this stands on it's own. it has nothing to do with trying to psychoanalyze you

Quote:. What good would it do me to tell you I drive F1 cars for a living if you have no idea who I am...? What could a person gain from something like that?

This is the same argument paranormalist Winton Wu . Uses when defending psychics and homeopaths who don't do it for money or fame .And my response to you is the same as his. I don't care why you would lie .Is not the question is how your story is suspicious as i have mentioned before weather you have a desire for gain or not is a none issue

Quote:This is the arrogance that I'm talking about

Indeed you talk and talk and talk of arrogance if only you would get around to showing it


Quote:- you, and to a lesser degree, tomilay,

He can defend himself

Quote: find it incomprehensible that I could have had experiences in my life that make me feel less than charitable towards a people who have not had peace in their culture,for any length of time,in millennia...

Your right i can't comprehend how any rational human being can take a massively complex concept like a region and it's people .And water it down to "Muslims are evil animals and there culture sucks. And make that determination on mere experience

Quote:Your own life experiences have been so limited or so sheltered that you are
incredibly naive about these people,

;)Nope my experience with" those people"is both varied and extensive but ultimately irrelevant to my assessment of them .
Quote:Yet you chalk it up completely to my prejudice and bigotry-

No you clearly display both with your own words

Quote:Completely disregarding world events

I'm well aware of world events the underlaying reason there happening

Quote:The experiences in my life,


Which has no real value

Quote:the experiences of others who have spent time in the region,

Which are over all worthless in a greater assessment (including my own) which is why i don't rely on it .or on the assessment of those who agree with who have lived and do live there .

Quote: And even of members of this culture who frequently speak out against its harshness, its xenophobia, its religious fanaticism
.

Yup iv'e read these criticisms there okay as to who these criticism apply(a small minority) .But as a whole they tend to be vague unfocused and countered quite easily of which i also read . Every culture has critics i just don't find internal Islamic ones very good at making a case that holds under fire .

Everyone has to be making all of this stuff up,

Never said that .I only said your particular story was fishy and similar to racist
tactics and i address the rest above.

Quote:Because you know those lovely people are big hearted and kind, right? Because

The vast majority yes a portion no

Quote:Hillary told you so?

Why would i care what she thinks?

Quote:I don't know where you get your information-


clearly not


Quote:I only know where you do NOT get it

You mean i don't rely on antidotal evidence and shallow critics woe is me

Quote:I have traveled extensively all of my life

Same but irrelevant

Quote:From growing up in a military family

from a military family too but unimportant

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Quote:o my own military career and my own civilian career, to a pure love of travel, for travel's sake. I love other cultures, I speak 3 languages fluently, and a half dozen more to various degrees. I immerse myself in other cultures, I don't stay in the hotel or at the secluded resort and pretend I have visited a foreign land by collecting postcards from the airport gift shop. Everyone in my life knows this about me- they also know that I am extremely fair in my opinions about others, and even though I have held positions of authority, I have never abused those positions.

I don't care really. Seriously no one needs to try so hard to show there well traveled it should be reflected in there posts not become a small auto biography

Quote:I had a reputation all through school for defending the underdog- I was in dozens of fights in elementary school thru high school- I only remember one that had to do with me, the rest were in defense of someone I felt was being mistreated. That's just my nature, and always has been- I'm sure it's why I gravitated towards the military and law enforcement.

Uh huh again no one should need to try this hard to try and show there honest it should be reflected in there posts or conduct in the forum .Not something they need to write a novel about .

Quote:My kids are all grown, but they'll tell you this as well...I once spent a night in jail while my wife and 3 kids and I were on vacation in Florida at Disney world. I saw a man punch his wife in a restaurant, and I beat him unconscious. I sat in jail until it was all sorted out- I was vindicated in the end. I would do it again. I can't NOT do it.

Since your children aren't here that's hardly revilvant but even if they were there personal assessment of you means diddle to me .

Quote:When you accuse me of hating a race or group of people unfairly, without cause, it's ludicrous. I have to have a great deal of evidence before I can hate anyone- it goes against everything I believe in to condemn a person or people unjustly.

Yup i have first thing you have accused me of that i actually said congrats but again you falter it should not take a paragraph describing how fair you are to show your fair need i finish
Quote:But you can't seem to believe that I have seen and experienced anything that would make me unwilling to risk innocent lives blindly
,

Yup i don't believe you seen anything near enough to make the sweeping assessments you do


Quote:when it comes to this segment of a society that has not managed to maintain peace in its own backyard...well, in a very, very, very long time.

yup the middle east etc is definitly troubled

Quote:Why haven't they had peace?

The reason is a complex one which you will now sum up in the most simplistic way imaginable

Quote:Do you remember the answer to that questio
n?

I can't remember a answer that doesn't exist

Quote: It isn't a matter of opinion...

No it most certainly is

Quote:it isn't a vague notion..
.

Nope it's pretty vague

Quote:it is not a conservative trick.

WTF

Quote:The middle east has been almost constantly at war because of religious intolerance. Period.

Nope it's been a factor(to a debatable degree) but not the cause

Quote:My God is better than your God, essentially.


I think i addressed above

Quote:Yes, they seem like an enlightened people,

Yes most of them are some of them are not

Quote:what was I thinking?

Anyone's guess

Quote:They not only fanatically believe in nonexistent omnipotent beings

last i checked they only believed in one god and no most are not fanatics there devout to varied degrees just like every other relgion

but they believe those beings want them to hate and destroy their neighbors whose omnipotent imaginary beings told them to hate the other guys!

Some passages say to hate and kill other say opposite it's a contradictory mess just like the bible .Because it was not written in the manor most Muslims believe it was. Just like the bible.Some think it says one thing some are convinced of the opposite.

Quote:Oh, I take it all back, these people are brilliant, loving, caring folks

Again most of them are

Quote:who only want to raise their children in peace and play shuffleboard down at the rec center on Wednesday afternoons.

Some do some not

Obviously! How could I have been so blind?

No idea

Quote:Oh, and I guess there is a secondary cause of war and revolution in the middle east

Religion is not even the first cause it's not even a cause it's a symptom

...horrific human rights violations by various evil dictators. [/quote]

Yup the middle east has had dictators how have done awful things so has everywhere else

Quote:Only a coincidence, I'm certain.

Nope the factors that make the up middle east are complex not consequential

Quote:Do you dispute any of this, by any chance? I'm only curious.

Dispute them nope understand the context of why they occurred and what all the factors that lead to them yup .Your appeal to big scary numbers leaves me cold .
(see dorky's original post)


Quote:What a humanitarian! I'm quite certain he is atypical. Right?

Yup he was a monster so was Stalin he was the exception to Europeans (and maybe atheists)
(see dorkys original post)


Quote:By Jennifer Bonne

Ahh Blondie Boone i's been years since i have read her derp .Should be good nistagia and a laugh like when read poison mushrooms for the second time. or Death style or that bunch of chick tracts i keep by the toilet but little else
(see dorky's original post)


Quote:This is very accurate- read it, research it if you need to. It is.

Done so years ago it's garbage like everything else on jihad watch i might a well read an article by Micheal Behe on biology there about equal

Quote:So with this in mind...why do they want to immigrate HERE, of all places?

I find you question even more curious then what it's questioning

Quote:You seriously are so naive that you can't even entertain the notion of ulterior and perhaps nefarious motives?


Yes i think i think your contention of nefarious motives is weapons grade shit that's not nativity it just isn't cynicism

Quote:Every cautious thought, every accusation is simply some wacko conspiracy theory, isn't it?

pretty much you had a point ?

Quote:Zero life experience.

Sigh lots of experience i just don't turn it into a gospel on which serious issues will be judged

Quote:I hope you are never placed in a situation where your own good sense is the only thing standing between you and death. I hope you survive your wake up call.

I faced death twice i cheated it twice by good sense .And my good sense informs me your full of shit. but it's still not gospel

Quote:

Same to you but a tinfoil hat might suit you better to protect you from the jihadist mind control rays

Quote:I mean, just every day. Wear a helmet. Seriously. Even in the bathtub. Really. Please.

Watch out for Muslim ray guns and always wear hat dorky

Quote:You have served as a needed distraction, until my stomach gave out though...so, thanks.

Really what weak stomach you have so sad a suggest a laxatives maybe you should read your own posts i know they turn me into a soft serve machine

Quote:Ciao'.

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28-09-2016, 04:37 PM
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 08:31 AM)tomilay Wrote:  From the stuff you put out, I would place you about center right at the very least. A Rebublican.
Yes, I'm centre right, and perhaps in USA that would make me tend towards republican, but of course, since those guys are religious nutty, they would never get my vote. In NZ the religious based parties are fringe stuff.


(28-09-2016 08:31 AM)tomilay Wrote:  You see programs that support people down on their luck as handouts.
That's a strange way of putting it.
I see giving money away as handouts. I see training and "work for income" schemes as getting people back on their feet.
I see schemes where people are required to put a cv together, required to train, required to actively seek jobs as being supporting of people down on their luck, and I am supportive of those schemes.

I don't see handing out a lifetime of money with no requirement on the benefactor as being supporting of them.

(28-09-2016 08:31 AM)tomilay Wrote:  That people are poor because they are lazy.
Sometimes that is the case, sometimes it is not.

(28-09-2016 08:31 AM)tomilay Wrote:  Affirmative action rewards laziness and creates racism.
That would be true
(28-09-2016 08:31 AM)tomilay Wrote:  I don't know what you think of tax cuts for the rich and increased military.
I'm not a fan of funding military. I'm not a fan of taxing the rich through the earth. It gives them the incentive to hire accountants and look for ways to avoid paying tax. It also makes them want to do business offshore rather than locally.

I'm for supporting businesses which creates jobs.


(28-09-2016 08:31 AM)tomilay Wrote:  But that's as far from liberal as anything I can think of.
I'm liberal in that I'm not a traditionalist, I hate traditions. I am for diversity, I am for choice rather than control.
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28-09-2016, 04:50 PM
RE: Do or Die
(27-09-2016 11:40 PM)morondog Wrote:  Things like medical care for all, education for all etc - socialist policies - are so terrible?
Free medical care, free eduction = equal opportunity.

Heavy taxes on rich, giving endless supply of money to poor = desire for equality despite what effort people put in.

I'm for equal opportunity but not for equality.
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29-09-2016, 12:09 AM
RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 04:50 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(27-09-2016 11:40 PM)morondog Wrote:  Things like medical care for all, education for all etc - socialist policies - are so terrible?
Free medical care, free eduction = equal opportunity.

Heavy taxes on rich, giving endless supply of money to poor = desire for equality despite what effort people put in.

I'm for equal opportunity but not for equality.

... What is wrong with taxes? I know rich people don't like them. I know they can go badly wrong as when there's a kleptomaniac government in charge. I also think it's not wrong to tax people more the higher income they earn.

I know that there's potentially no right answer but for me it's the job of government to try to make sure that everyone in society has at least the opportunity to live a decent life. To provide the support that people need. And if that costs people who've got lots of money a bit more, then so be it. Determining what constitutes a fair contribution from each level of society is a problem for the tax man.

Let's not forget that rich people take from society too. You can't *be* rich without interacting with society. You cannot acquire wealth without exchanging goods and services in the economy. So taxing you for the right to do so seems fair to me.

At the same time, those who're poor... didn't choose to be that way. So I don't see it as wrong or unfair that they should get government assistance. They are citizens too, the government has a requirement to serve them.

I've heard it said (I don't know how true it is) that if resources were distributed equitably we could eliminate poverty. This seems like a noble goal to me. The alternative is to say that the existence of rich and middle class people is predicated on the existence of poverty i.e. that just the fact of being rich implies that somewhere there's someone else who doesn't have enough.

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29-09-2016, 12:47 AM
RE: Do or Die
(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  ... What is wrong with taxes? I know rich people don't like them.
No-one likes paying taxes.

(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  I also think it's not wrong to tax people more the higher income they earn.
Depends how much you tax people.
Heavy taxes are a disincentive for people to be successful in your country. It is a disincentive for them to build businesses or factories and hence to hire people in your country. The world is a globally integrated environment. If you make it expensive to do business in your country then the businesses (and jobs) will go off shore.

If you make it hard for businesses to start up and hard for businesses to succeed then again you will have lack of jobs.

(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  I know that there's potentially no right answer but for me it's the job of government to try to make sure that everyone in society has at least the opportunity to live a decent life.
By providing free schools and free health, it gives people equal opportunity. What they do with it is their choice.


(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  And if that costs people who've got lots of money a bit more, then so be it.
The rich and the business owners, aren't cash cows. they aren't there to be milked.
You cannot take advantage of them, they will leave, they will not start up businesses.


(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  Let's not forget that rich people take from society too. You can't *be* rich without interacting with society. You cannot acquire wealth without exchanging goods and services in the economy. So taxing you for the right to do so seems fair to me.
GST allows people to choose to pay tax if they want a good or service. All people pay it, criminals, wealthy and poor.


(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  At the same time, those who're poor... didn't choose to be that way.
I'm not so sure about that. Some people chose not to apply themselves at school. Some people chose to get a criminal record, some people chose to have kids early, chose to spend money on hire purchase, or alcohol or just on stuff in general. Many people have very poor self control and won't save, and didn't apply themselves at school.
If you have a degree and can't find a job that is one thing, but if you left school at 15, got pregnant at 16, 17 and 18, 19 and 20 then that is something entirely different. I tell you, I'm not rich but am comfortable. I don't have Sky or cable tv, I hardly every buy alcohol, I never gamble. I buy things when I can afford things, I go without when I can't. There are many poor people paying for Sky tv, having better car than me, going to the pub every week, gambling on TAB. I didn't have kids till quite late in life, once I'd got my career going and had save some money. I see many poor people getting knocked up really young, having many, many kids. For many, they make their choices. It isn't a conspiracy against them.

(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  So I don't see it as wrong or unfair that they should get government assistance.
Depends what the assistance is. If it is a lifetimes supply of money, then where is their incentive to work or gain some marketable skills?

(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  They are citizens too, the government has a requirement to serve them.
Giving them unconditional money makes them dependant, removes all incentives from them. It basically keeps them poor.
Taking from the rich ensures the country will be poor. The rich will leave. The jobs will be few.

(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  I've heard it said (I don't know how true it is) that if resources were distributed equitably we could eliminate poverty. This seems like a noble goal to me.
This sounds horrible to me.

You are telling people that it doesn't matter what they do. That they will have equal resources whether they work or stay at home and play computer games, or just hang out at the pub.

What will people do in this environment? They will give up, they won't need to work hard. They will expect to be given everything.


(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  The alternative is to say that the existence of rich and middle class people is predicated on the existence of poverty i.e. that just the fact of being rich implies that somewhere there's someone else who doesn't have enough.
The alternative is to say, we will provide free quality school. We will encourage all to go to school and get qualifications and compete for jobs. We will support fledgling businesses, we will help them to get on their feet and to grow and employ people. We will encourage the rich to invest in our country to run factories and businesses, to create skilled labour, and to pay wages.
We will create an environment we those who choose to get educated or choose to start up businesses can succeed and reap rewards.
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29-09-2016, 03:06 AM
RE: Do or Die
I put myself through college using the Montgomery GI Bill.

That's about as socialist as you can get.
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29-09-2016, 04:58 AM
RE: Do or Die
(29-09-2016 12:47 AM)Stevil Wrote:  
(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  I also think it's not wrong to tax people more the higher income they earn.
Depends how much you tax people.
Heavy taxes are a disincentive for people to be successful in your country. It is a disincentive for them to build businesses or factories and hence to hire people in your country. The world is a globally integrated environment. If you make it expensive to do business in your country then the businesses (and jobs) will go off shore.

If you make it hard for businesses to start up and hard for businesses to succeed then again you will have lack of jobs.

Which creates and incentives the creation of tax havens, which do more harm than good. Corporations answers first to share holders, and fuck everyone else. Letting that greed run rampant hurts everyone.


(29-09-2016 12:47 AM)Stevil Wrote:  
(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  And if that costs people who've got lots of money a bit more, then so be it.
The rich and the business owners, aren't cash cows. they aren't there to be milked.
You cannot take advantage of them, they will leave, they will not start up businesses.

Except that they aren't even being slightly milked, which is the problem. At least so far as the United States is concerned, the last half century as been nothing but the wealthiest pushing their tax burden further onto the less fortunate. We're now is a state of such massive wealth inequality that has not been seen since the Gilded Age.


(29-09-2016 12:47 AM)Stevil Wrote:  
(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  Let's not forget that rich people take from society too. You can't *be* rich without interacting with society. You cannot acquire wealth without exchanging goods and services in the economy. So taxing you for the right to do so seems fair to me.
GST allows people to choose to pay tax if they want a good or service. All people pay it, criminals, wealthy and poor.

The problem there is that it shifts the tax burden even further onto consumers. In a modern first world country, there is a minimum level of consumption required to meet a minimum standard of living, and it doesn't vary terribly much. The GST might actually work, if billionaires bought millions of times more in food and clothing in comparison to everyone else, but they don't. Even Bill Gates only needs so many pairs of pants.


(29-09-2016 12:47 AM)Stevil Wrote:  
(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  At the same time, those who're poor... didn't choose to be that way.
I'm not so sure about that. Some people chose not to apply themselves at school. Some people chose to get a criminal record, some people chose to have kids early, chose to spend money on hire purchase, or alcohol or just on stuff in general. Many people have very poor self control and won't save, and didn't apply themselves at school.
If you have a degree and can't find a job that is one thing, but if you left school at 15, got pregnant at 16, 17 and 18, 19 and 20 then that is something entirely different. I tell you, I'm not rich but am comfortable. I don't have Sky or cable tv, I hardly every buy alcohol, I never gamble. I buy things when I can afford things, I go without when I can't. There are many poor people paying for Sky tv, having better car than me, going to the pub every week, gambling on TAB. I didn't have kids till quite late in life, once I'd got my career going and had save some money. I see many poor people getting knocked up really young, having many, many kids. For many, they make their choices. It isn't a conspiracy against them.

Too bad that the single largest determining factor of any persons individual success is the area code they're born in. Things we have no control of play huge parts in our lives. If we really cared about equality of opportunity, we wouldn't fund education with property taxes.


(29-09-2016 12:47 AM)Stevil Wrote:  
(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  So I don't see it as wrong or unfair that they should get government assistance.
Depends what the assistance is. If it is a lifetimes supply of money, then where is their incentive to work or gain some marketable skills?

Indeed.

See Also: Government Subsidies and Bailouts of International Corporations.

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(29-09-2016 12:47 AM)Stevil Wrote:  
(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  They are citizens too, the government has a requirement to serve them.
Giving them unconditional money makes them dependant, removes all incentives from them. It basically keeps them poor.
Taking from the rich ensures the country will be poor. The rich will leave. The jobs will be few.

Letting them run roughshod over your citizens is not a viable alternative.


(29-09-2016 12:47 AM)Stevil Wrote:  
(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  I've heard it said (I don't know how true it is) that if resources were distributed equitably we could eliminate poverty. This seems like a noble goal to me.
This sounds horrible to me.

You are telling people that it doesn't matter what they do. That they will have equal resources whether they work or stay at home and play computer games, or just hang out at the pub.

What will people do in this environment? They will give up, they won't need to work hard. They will expect to be given everything.

See Also: Too-Big-To-Fail Banks

Entitlement and lack of motivation is not limited to the poor and needy.


(29-09-2016 12:47 AM)Stevil Wrote:  
(29-09-2016 12:09 AM)morondog Wrote:  The alternative is to say that the existence of rich and middle class people is predicated on the existence of poverty i.e. that just the fact of being rich implies that somewhere there's someone else who doesn't have enough.
The alternative is to say, we will provide free quality school. We will encourage all to go to school and get qualifications and compete for jobs. We will support fledgling businesses, we will help them to get on their feet and to grow and employ people. We will encourage the rich to invest in our country to run factories and businesses, to create skilled labour, and to pay wages.
We will create an environment we those who choose to get educated or choose to start up businesses can succeed and reap rewards.

Except if we are to be a pro-corporate as you sound to be, the incentive is to slash worker compensation; lest they go someplace else, right? Table scraps are better than starving, right?

Why invest in a country if you can just buy the government? It's cheaper, and has better pay outs.

Simply put, you cannot trust those whose sole goal is generating profit and capital, with safeguarding the rights and protections of your citizenry. That's why you need a government, that should ideally be acting for the benefit of it's people, and not international corporations.

Unless you're in the US, where corporations are people too, except when it's inconvenient. Dodgy

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