Do or Die
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28-09-2016, 02:32 AM
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RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 02:14 AM)The Dark One Wrote:Quote:Things like medical care for all, education for all etc - socialist policies - are so terrible? I believe its more about sharing equitably. There are precedents - NHS in UK, socialised medicine in Canada. It can work. It's also about principles, from my point of view. It's not right that some in society are so fucked they can't ever hope to change their circumstances, and at the same time others are obscenely wealthy. Is it so wrong to ask the rich to share? |
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28-09-2016, 03:05 AM
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(27-09-2016 11:40 PM)morondog Wrote:(27-09-2016 04:29 PM)The Dark One Wrote: I agree with all of this- and in the rest of the world, I would be much closer to liberal than conservative. But in the US, the line between socialism and liberalism has been blurred. I DESPISE socialists. Indeed, cheaper medicine! How can anyone possibly afford that? And personally, I'd take socialised armed services over private armies any day. ![]() |
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28-09-2016, 03:06 AM
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I wouldn't exactly say all top 1%ers really worked hard for all their money. I don't think a sweeping statement like that can really apply.
I mean also lets be real, it's not really about punishing people for succeeding. Especially since many people inherit fortunes. It's about paying a fair share. Smaller business owners and stuff definitely don't need to have taxes piled on them. But folks who reel in millions upon millions for little work, and do very little with their money to invest in causes, charity, or doing good, for sure deserve to be taxed heavilly and proportionally, imo. I believe that basic things like healthcare should be the right of everyone, and I believe that it should be provided by the government through taxation. But hey, I live in Canada. That's normal here, and so far it hasn't been disastrous. A flawed system, with problems that happen of course, but you don't have to shell out hundreds for checkups or thousands for more. I personally wouldn't have it the other way. |
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28-09-2016, 06:04 AM
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(27-09-2016 02:32 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:(27-09-2016 01:40 PM)Chas Wrote: Their silence gives tacit approval to the fundamentalists. I am referring to the ones who have emigrated. Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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28-09-2016, 06:06 AM
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(27-09-2016 02:54 PM)tomilay Wrote:(27-09-2016 12:53 PM)Chas Wrote: I don't expect them to - they've already failed. That is not a valid comparison, as the Jews were not dissenting Nazis. Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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28-09-2016, 06:07 AM
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(27-09-2016 03:20 PM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:(27-09-2016 12:53 PM)Chas Wrote: I don't expect them to - they've already failed. The point is that I should be able to hear them without having to ask. Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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28-09-2016, 06:08 AM
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(27-09-2016 02:09 PM)OrdoSkeptica Wrote:(27-09-2016 01:40 PM)Chas Wrote: Their silence gives tacit approval to the fundamentalists. Citations required. ![]() Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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28-09-2016, 06:40 AM
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RE: Do or Die
(27-09-2016 11:34 PM)The Dark One Wrote: This is the arrogance that I'm talking about- you, and to a lesser degree, tomilay, find it incomprehensible that I could have had experiences in my life that make me feel less than charitable towards a people who have not had peace in their culture, for any length of time, in millennia...Your own life experiences have been so limited or so sheltered that you are incredibly naive about these people, yet you chalk it up completely to my prejudice and bigotry- completely disregarding world events, the experiences in my life, the experiences of others who have spent time in the region, and even of members of this culture who frequently speak out against its harshness, its xenophobia, its religious fanaticism. Everyone has to be making all of this stuff up, because you know those lovely people are big hearted and kind, right? Because...Hillary told you so? I don't know where you get your information- I only know where you do NOT get it. What I find not incomprehensible but curious is that it took you so many years and travels to arrive at the same conclusion that a garden variety bigot spending too much time at DailyStormer would. We have to remember that what we observe is not nature herself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning ~ Werner Heisenberg |
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28-09-2016, 06:42 AM
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(28-09-2016 06:06 AM)Chas Wrote:(27-09-2016 02:54 PM)tomilay Wrote: I guess you could say the Jews fleeing Germany in the 30s and 40s had failed to fix the mess in Germany. A technically correct if unusual way of looking at it. That is a strawman. The validity of the comparison is predicated on the fact that they are both refugees who have left their countries without fixing the thing that made them flee in the first place. We have to remember that what we observe is not nature herself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning ~ Werner Heisenberg |
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28-09-2016, 07:24 AM
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RE: Do or Die
(28-09-2016 06:04 AM)Chas Wrote:(27-09-2016 02:32 PM)Grasshopper Wrote: Even if the fundamentalists would kill them if they weren't silent? Maybe their silence is just evidence of their desire to stay alive. Dissent of any kind is not safe in some Islamic nations. Maybe they just want to get the hell out of there and start over somewhere where things aren't so crazy -- like here. I don't see that as tacit approval of anything. They're just escaping a bad situation. OK, but maybe trying to build a new life in a foreign country is a full-time job (I know it would be for me), and they don't exactly have the time or energy to get up on a soapbox and tell the world how bad ISIS is (as if the world doesn't already know that). Using Tomilay's example, I also would not have expected every Jew who left Nazi Germany to publicly denounce the Nazis. It was unnecessary, and they had more pressing concerns. |
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