Do we have the right to tax people in order to help the poor?
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09-02-2012, 05:22 PM
RE: Do we have the right to tax people in order to help the poor?
(09-02-2012 02:20 PM)kim Wrote:  A rich, peaceful country has no excuse to own a class that can be designated as "the poor."

Yet, this is a fact.

So what are/should we do about it?

What can we do about it?

Huh
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09-02-2012, 05:24 PM
RE: Do we have the right to tax people in order to help the poor?
Absolutely not. We can tax people in a fair manner to fund the government. Are you suggesting we tax the rich so we can cut checks to the poor? WTF?

brb creating a welfare state because it's not fair that poor people are poor

Seriously dude, what the fuck kind of question is that?

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09-02-2012, 05:25 PM
RE: Do we have the right to tax people in order to help the poor?
I believe that taxing is use less. I feel like the poor will always remain poor so taxing is just a waste of time. I live in the city and im not poor but there lots of poor people who do live around me, i feel like helping them out is pointless because the reason their poor is because they waste there money on shit instead of saving and making a difference. But then yet again their are some poor people that do need the help so i mixed about it.
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09-02-2012, 05:42 PM (This post was last modified: 09-02-2012 05:52 PM by Zat.)
RE: Do we have the right to tax people in order to help the poor?
(09-02-2012 05:24 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Seriously dude, what the fuck kind of question is that?

Dude, this is the kind of question that assumes that the fight did not start when he hit me back.

Which means that there is a history of things.

The famous cause-and-effect chain.

Analyzing human history, going back thousands of years, following the line of power and wealth: how it was acquired, by what means, who did what to whom, who ripped off whom, where did today's wealth come from (whiskey trade, arms trade, betrayal, traachery, etc) and then trying to convince the gullible that there is a level playing field.

Give me a break! Rolleyes
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09-02-2012, 07:42 PM
RE: Do we have the right to tax people in order to help the poor?
(08-02-2012 06:03 PM)Chas Wrote:  Rationally, helping the less fortunate leads to a more stable society.

Don't think we have a right per se, but we have damn good reason. It's pragmatic. Nobody comes out the better after the pitchforks and torches have taken to the streets.

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09-02-2012, 07:50 PM
RE: Do we have the right to tax people in order to help the poor?
(09-02-2012 07:42 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(08-02-2012 06:03 PM)Chas Wrote:  Rationally, helping the less fortunate leads to a more stable society.

Don't think we have a right per se, but we have damn good reason. It's pragmatic. Nobody comes out the better after the pitchforks and torches have taken to the streets.

Precisely.

We can't all eat cake.

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09-02-2012, 10:12 PM
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(09-02-2012 07:42 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Don't think we have a right per se, but we have damn good reason.

Without emotional underpinning, your average populace will not resort to pitchforks.

It is always emotional which is, on the ground floor, ethical: what feels right and what feels wrong.

People have a feel for 'rightness', even if they can not articulate very well.

Of course, this feeling of 'right' versus 'wrong' can be misdirected or corrupted by clever demagogues but, eventually, pitchforks will come out when people realize that they had been duped.

At the end, the bastards will have their heads cut off by the mob.

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09-02-2012, 11:45 PM
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(09-02-2012 07:50 PM)Chas Wrote:  We can't all eat cake.

cake ain't that good.. Wink

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10-02-2012, 03:39 AM
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(08-02-2012 05:42 PM)Zat Wrote:  I keep hearing more and more often from every direction that we the baby-boomers (the aging population) will break the bank and make younger people have to pay higher taxes, as if we had not raised them, put them through school, started them in life
Hmm...

And did the younger generations had any choice in NOT stepping into that treadmill?

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10-02-2012, 05:14 AM
RE: Do we have the right to tax people in order to help the poor?
(10-02-2012 03:39 AM)Observer Wrote:  And did the younger generations had any choice in NOT stepping into that treadmill?

That's exactly what I asked my father when I was a kid. Big Grin

I grew up since. Tongue

Personally I feel justified using that argument because I adopted my 2 children when they were 5 and 6 (brother and sister) and nobody wanted them. I have earned my pension.

Most parents do.
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