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03-09-2012, 06:38 AM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2012 07:31 AM by BnW.)
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(02-09-2012 07:25 PM)kim Wrote:  People won't think you are ignorant if things are spelled correctly -look things up in the dictionary before you post.
At some point, your education becomes up to you. Thumbsup

My feelings on his/her ignorance has little to do with his/her spelling and grammar (and total lack thereof). I believe s/he is ignorant because s/he has proven to be so. How many times do we have to read these idiotic "you all love Hitler, admit it" posts from this troll? We've fallen into a pattern where bizzymoron incoherently rants about how white people all really love Hitler, makes some stupid statement that has no factual basis about how we love him for keeping blacks down in the US, and then acts shocked and surprised when people get offended and claims s/he meant no offense.

This person is a classic troll and s/he absolutely means offense by his/her comments. I think even the entertaining typing is an act.

Stop feeding the troll and the troll will starve and leave.

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03-09-2012, 06:53 AM
RE: Do white people secretly like Hitler?
The question could easily be rephrased and have validity:

"why does Hitler remain so popular among white supremacist groups - especially in America?"

The OP's issue is that she lumps all white people in to this bucket - even bigoted/racist white people that think Hitler was the embodiment of evil...

The rephrase is an interesting question, and one I do not have an answer to...

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03-09-2012, 10:40 AM
RE: Do white people secretly like Hitler?
It's actually a bit funny that everyone associates race supremacy with just Hitler.
Race supremacy was I guess the fad of the time and in no way unique to the Nazi's.

It's was very clear in Japan and how they viewed themselves, especially compared to other Asian nations.
But moving away from Axis powers it was clear in the US also. One simply needs to know about the two atomic bombs to know the race supremacy in America at the time. The "we saved XXX amount of American lives". I wonder how many Americans know how many people lost their lives because of those bombs?

It was clear in Russia too but I think that that was less race related and more patriot, "for Mother Russia" as opposed to "kill those vermin scum".

WW2 was defiantly a different time, so many political issues, but it was very much a war of race more then any other.


The problem Hitler had however was that he killed 6million Jews. Had that not occurred I think we would view Hitler far, far differently.

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03-09-2012, 10:51 AM
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Wow, I go to Aberdeen for one day and come back to something as retarded as this. I regret going now... I wish I could have been there for the start of this thread. Tongue

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03-09-2012, 11:08 AM
RE: Do white people secretly like Hitler?
(03-09-2012 10:40 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  But moving away from Axis powers it was clear in the US also. One simply needs to know about the two atomic bombs to know the race supremacy in America at the time. The "we saved XXX amount of American lives". I wonder how many Americans know how many people lost their lives because of those bombs?

No, the use of the atomic bombs arguably saved countless Japanese lives, too. It was estimated that millions of Japanese soldiers and civilians would have lost their lives in the defense of their country.

Quote:The problem Hitler had however was that he killed 6million Jews. Had that not occurred I think we would view Hitler far, far differently.

And 6+ million non-Jews, as well. Don't forget all the other 'undesirables' shipped off to concentration camps.

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03-09-2012, 11:21 AM
RE: Do white people secretly like Hitler?
(03-09-2012 11:08 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(03-09-2012 10:40 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  But moving away from Axis powers it was clear in the US also. One simply needs to know about the two atomic bombs to know the race supremacy in America at the time. The "we saved XXX amount of American lives". I wonder how many Americans know how many people lost their lives because of those bombs?

No, the use of the atomic bombs arguably saved countless Japanese lives, too. It was estimated that millions of Japanese soldiers and civilians would have lost their lives in the defense of their country.

Sure but nobody ever says that do they?
America, at the time and even today to a degree, like most other countries, thought themselves to be the better race.
Japan was "The Japanese race", Germany the "Blonde blue eyes race", America the "American race" it makes no difference, race supremacy is race supremacy.

Even today you hear about how evil Japan was for Pearl harbor, you hear about how ti was a completely "unprovoked out of the blue attack", what you never hear about is the trade embargoes and the literal starvation of Japanese resources such as steal and oil. Not that the Japanese were saints, just saying that there is more then the one sided story people are fed.

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03-09-2012, 11:33 AM
RE: Do white people secretly like Hitler?
(03-09-2012 11:21 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(03-09-2012 11:08 AM)Chas Wrote:  No, the use of the atomic bombs arguably saved countless Japanese lives, too. It was estimated that millions of Japanese soldiers and civilians would have lost their lives in the defense of their country.

Sure but nobody ever says that do they?

Yes, they do.
Quote:Japan was dead on its feet in every way but one: The Japanese still had the means -- and the determination -- to make the invading Allied forces pay a terrible price for the final victory. Since the summer of 1944, the armed forces had been drawing units back to Japan in anticipation of a final stand there.

The Japanese were prepared to absorb massive casualties. According to Gen. Korechika Anami, the War Minister, the military could commit 2.3 million troops. Commanders were authorized to call up four million civil servants to augment the troops. The Japanese Cabinet extended the draft to cover most civilians (men from ages fifteen to sixty and women from seventeen to forty-five).

Quote:America, at the time and even today to a degree, like most other countries, thought themselves to be the better race.
Japan was "The Japanese race", Germany the "Blonde blue eyes race", America the "American race" it makes no difference, race supremacy is race supremacy.

Every country thinks its own citizens' lives are more important than the enemies. It's not 'race'.

Quote:Even today you hear about how evil Japan was for Pearl harbor, you hear about how ti was a completely "unprovoked out of the blue attack", what you never hear about is the trade embargoes and the literal starvation of Japanese resources such as steal and oil. Not that the Japanese were saints, just saying that there is more then the one sided story people are fed.

It's not that simple. This was a tit-for-tat diplomacy with roots in the treaties of WWI. Japan had not gotten what it wanted, it was aggressively expansionist, various factions in its government and the U.S. government played hardball. There were several points when it could have been peacefully resolved, but wasn't.

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03-09-2012, 12:43 PM
RE: Do white people secretly like Hitler?
(03-09-2012 11:08 AM)Chas Wrote:  And 6+ million non-Jews, as well. Don't forget all the other 'undesirables' shipped off to concentration camps.

Not to forget that Hitler preyed on his own people, too.

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03-09-2012, 01:01 PM
RE: Do white people secretly like Hitler?
(03-09-2012 11:21 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  America, at the time and even today to a degree, like most other countries, thought themselves to be the better race.


In the US, we have a shit load of races so yes, even though there is "racism" there is also the issue of "nationalism" which might be a more subtly defined and issue.

I think you might be confusing "racism" with "nationalism"... many find this distinction to be too subtle to bother with, and this is where simple ignorance becomes completely fucked. Intertwining racism and nationalism can be an explosive situation.

Hitler notoriously used nationalism as a foil for his brand of racism and confused many people into thinking that in order to love Germany, one had to destroy whatever was dragging it down. After all, the official title of the Nazis Party was, The National Socialist Party. If you weren't for them, you were against them... in other words, you were fucked.

You can call it racism or superiority ... doesn't really matter what you think of it; it's a judgement - usually a judgement based upon misunderstanding and ignorance and possibly combined with resentment and even greed. Hate is hate. Getting an entire nation to go along with your hatred... well, no need to ask how well that went for Germany. Or anyone else.

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03-09-2012, 02:58 PM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2012 03:03 PM by BnW.)
RE: Do white people secretly like Hitler?
(03-09-2012 11:08 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(03-09-2012 10:40 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  But moving away from Axis powers it was clear in the US also. One simply needs to know about the two atomic bombs to know the race supremacy in America at the time. The "we saved XXX amount of American lives". I wonder how many Americans know how many people lost their lives because of those bombs?

No, the use of the atomic bombs arguably saved countless Japanese lives, too. It was estimated that millions of Japanese soldiers and civilians would have lost their lives in the defense of their country.

This can probably be its own thread but I'll throw it out here: the conventional wisdom that we bombed the Japanese because otherwise we would have gone through a bloody invasion is probably not true. There is plenty of evidence that Japan not only would have surrendered but they actually had offered to surrender in April or May of 1945, but on the express condition that the Emperor be allowed to remain on the thrown. The US said they would not accept any conditions at all and Japan had to surrender unconditionally (although we ultimately allowed the emperor to remain). The dropping of the atomic bombs in August of 1945 coincided with the Soviet invasion of Manchuria. The historical record indicates that it was the fear of having to eventually surrender to their old enemies, the Russians, more then the dropping of the atomic bombs that ultimately pushed Japan's leaders, and specifically the emperor, to overrule the generals and surrender.

Finally, there were no shortage of Americans who, at the time, did not think dropping the bombs was necessary to end the war. Included in that list is Admiral Nimitz and General MacArthur - people who were in a position to have an informed opinion on the topic, I'd say.

For the past 65 plus years the way the history has been taught is that Japan would never surrender, the US would have to invade Japan, and millions of lives on both sides would be lost. That is accepted story. But, there is plenty of evidence that story is just not true, and the real truth is the bombs were dropped not to send a message to Japan but to send a message to Stalin and let him know we had these weapons, they worked, and we would use them if necessary.

Finally, before the rebuttals start to come in about how wrong I am on this, consider this: the damage the US did by fire bombing Tokyo and the surrounding areas did more damage to Japan's ability to wage war, killed more civilians, and had far more gruesome results than either of the nukes did. And yet, Japan fought on. They cited the A-bombs as the reason they surrendered but it seems unlikely that all of the sudden the loss of massive numbers of civilians would really sway them when, up to that point, they did not care at all about Japanese civilian casualties.

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