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11-05-2016, 06:27 AM
RE: Do you Compartmentalize?
(11-05-2016 06:21 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(11-05-2016 06:19 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  There are a variety of journals that publish a variety of studies. The journals themselves are interested in the type of studies that increase their readership, gain attention, increase their brand recognition, keep them profitable, keep their editorial board employed.

A recent study of over 100 studies published in three prestigious journals, were only able to be replicated about 39% percent of the time. This wasn't a study done by the journals themselves, but my researchers interested in the accuracy of studies published in peer reviewed journals. Is this likely to change how journals operate, the studies they select? probably not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spea...-36-times/

1.5 million studies get published every year, they might get read, but not necessarily attempted to be replicated. Because it cost money to do so, it's unlikely that the publications are doing so themselves, and it's also unlikely that any organizations unless having some incentive would replicate the bulk of these studies as well.


Actually no, I dealt with organizational management, what workers do, how resources are allocated, how the company as a whole is structured, etc....

And no. I don't have a hopelessly negative view of scientists. They're just employees of a variety of organizations, and private industries like everyone else. I have no more of a hopelessly negative view of them, than I do doctors, cops, mechanics, pharmacist, or Best Buy clerks, It's just that folks here have a dewey eyed view of them. TbD went as far as suggesting they're not employees, that a distinction needs to be drawn between employees and scientists, for no other purpose than to preserve the myth.

And he just keeps on straw manning and throwing out red herrings.

Same old bullshit, different topic.

TommyBoy is an expert on science and scientists because he used to work with technicians at a company and now he knows science and scientists better than scientists.

So it follows that since I once worked at a vehicle repair company (as the bookkeeper) I should be able to diagnose and repair all types of trucks and cars? And now I work at a medical laboratory (as a bookkeeper) but I should be able to run blood and other specimen tests. Consider Time to fluff up the resume.

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11-05-2016, 06:31 AM
RE: Do you Compartmentalize?
(11-05-2016 06:27 AM)Anjele Wrote:  
(11-05-2016 06:21 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  And he just keeps on straw manning and throwing out red herrings.

Same old bullshit, different topic.

TommyBoy is an expert on science and scientists because he used to work with technicians at a company and now he knows science and scientists better than scientists.

So it follows that since I once worked at a vehicle repair company (as the bookkeeper) I should be able to diagnose and repair all types of trucks and cars? And now I work at a medical laboratory (as a bookkeeper) but I should be able to run blood and other specimen tests. Consider Time to fluff up the resume.

Not only that, but you're now qualified as an expert on automotive engineering and medicine. Please start making broad and sweeping generalizations about engineers and physicians now if you so choose. Drinking Beverage

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11-05-2016, 06:46 AM
RE: Do you Compartmentalize?
(11-05-2016 06:14 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(11-05-2016 04:34 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  No science is funded, paid for, for the sake of doing useful shit for whoever is paying their bills, whether now or later. It's purely about utility.

So, it's the exact opposite of religion.

If religion didn't prove something useful, like emotional satisfaction, community hubs, a place to discuss topics and subjects that interest their parishioners, a place to organize, and share and encourage values that matter to them, etc... It wouldn't exist. It might not provide anything useful for you, but it does for those who participate in it, or else they wouldn't be participating in it.

Clearly religion is not interested in technological progress, but it is interested in the relational sphere.

(11-05-2016 04:34 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Like that computer you're typing on?

Yes, of course, technological advance is likely to always occur, as long as there are incentives for corporations and companies to seek the next technological breakthrough to increase their share of the market. We can thank capitalism for that. Utility is the driving force.

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11-05-2016, 06:49 AM
RE: Do you Compartmentalize?
(11-05-2016 06:46 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-05-2016 06:14 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  So, it's the exact opposite of religion.

If religion didn't prove something useful, like emotional satisfaction, community hubs, a place to discuss topics and subjects that interest their parishioners, a place to organize, and share and encourage values that matter to them, etc... It wouldn't exist. It might not provide anything useful for you, but it does for those who participate in it, or else they wouldn't be participating in it.

Clearly religion is not interested in technological progress, but it is interested in the relational sphere.

(11-05-2016 04:34 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Like that computer you're typing on?

Yes, of course, technological advance is likely to always occur, as long as there are incentives for corporations and companies to seek the next technological breakthrough to increase their share of the market. We can thank capitalism for that. Utility is the driving force.

Valid until you say... all this about usefulness.

You think people only participate in things that are useful to them?

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11-05-2016, 06:55 AM
RE: Do you Compartmentalize?
(11-05-2016 06:31 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  So it follows that since I once worked at a vehicle repair company (as the bookkeeper) I should be able to diagnose and repair all types of trucks and cars? And now I work at a medical laboratory (as a bookkeeper) but I should be able to run blood and other specimen tests. Consider Time to fluff up the resume.

If you're a part of recruitment, involved in the hiring process, formulating the objectives of an organization, than you likely know a thing or two as to why you employee certain individuals, and the organizational goals our employees are to contribute towards, etc...

This doesn't make you an expert in your employees particular field of study, but it does make you knowledgeable about the aims in which they serve within that organization. It's possibly than an employee himself might not know that. Your boss is likely more interested in preserving your esteem, and morale, over informing you of the pragmatic purposes you've been hired for. You don't typically tell the tools you've hired, that they're tools.

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11-05-2016, 07:01 AM
RE: Do you Compartmentalize?
(11-05-2016 06:46 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  If religion didn't prove something useful, like emotional satisfaction, community hubs, a place to discuss topics and subjects that interest their parishioners, a place to organize, and share and encourage values that matter to them, etc... It wouldn't exist. It might not provide anything useful for you, but it does for those who participate in it, or else they wouldn't be participating in it.

So does the corner bar.
Interesting.
Now another theist here claiming Utilitarianism is how they justify their religion.

Consider

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11-05-2016, 07:14 AM (This post was last modified: 11-05-2016 07:18 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: Do you Compartmentalize?
(10-05-2016 05:11 PM)Stevil Wrote:  [quote]

But we are talking about science and the scientific method here, not how some companies are mixing science with non science.

This is where the compartmentalization occurs.

The meaning of what science does, is what scientists do. If you’re speaking of what science does, you're making a generalized statement as to what scientist do as a whole, either that or trying to pull a no true scotsman. Scientists are employees of wide variety of organizations, both public and private, and only a small fraction of those with higher degrees in science work in academia. They serve in the interest of the organizations that employee them, in private industries, that’s in the interest of the corporation, and their stockholders.

Folks such as yourself seem to have this fictional conception of some sort of pure science, unadulterated, committed to altruistically, in pursuit of truth for truths sake. When this is just a fantasy. It doesn’t exist. A scientists hired whether in academia, or even the private sphere, is merely means to the selfish ends of their particular organizations, whether the employee realizes it or not. At a university, these goals are aspects like attract donors, increase enrollment, move up in ranking, increase prestigious, etc….

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11-05-2016, 07:25 AM
RE: Do you Compartmentalize?
(11-05-2016 07:01 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  So does the corner bar.
Interesting.
Now another theist here claiming Utilitarianism is how they justify their religion.

Consider

What's more interesting is the atheist, that denies it.

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"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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11-05-2016, 07:26 AM
RE: Do you Compartmentalize?
(11-05-2016 06:19 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
Quote:I'll bet your "working for big pharma" was pushing pens somewhere. You still seem to have a. a hopelessly negative view of scientists b. no idea what the fuck they do.

Actually no, I dealt with organizational management, what workers do, how resources are allocated, how the company as a whole is structured, etc....

So now some ex-HR guy from a pharm company thinks he knows *all about* the scientific method. What degree did you study? Come on dude. There's gotta be some reason why you're so confident.

You know why you do HR and *other* people do science? 'Cos THEY fucking studied it. You studied HR or whatever degree gets you a job in organizational management. I don't tell you about hiring policies and resource allocation and all that crap - because I know fuck all about it. Yet somehow you've decided that the job that scientists do is some big lie to keep the company happy and your job is honest work? Fuck you.

You've *also* somehow decided that *academic* research is the same as the stuff you saw at big pharma and is all about the bottom line. So Isaac Newton's shit and Albert Einstein's stuff was *all* driven by a political agenda or some profit motive and there's no truth to it at all.

Even your cited examples are crap. Let's say that 1.5 million articles a year are published. What costs more? Fact checking the research, or doing *more* research based on the assumption that the research already published is correct? Do you know *why* people who're interested solely in their profits would waste time and money fact-checking? 'Cos it's expensive NOT to.

Facepalm Jesus fuck.

Do you know where stuff gets published and NOT checked? The department of fairy tales. i.e. every two-bit third rate crappy religious insitute.

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11-05-2016, 07:41 AM
RE: Do you Compartmentalize?
(11-05-2016 06:46 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  If religion didn't prove something useful, like emotional satisfaction, community hubs, a place to discuss topics and subjects that interest their parishioners, a place to organize, and share and encourage values that matter to them, etc... It wouldn't exist. It might not provide anything useful for you, but it does for those who participate in it, or else they wouldn't be participating in it.

That describes a useful social gathering. Mosques, synagogues, kingdom halls, boy scout meetings, bingo halls, casinos, block parties, tribal gatherings, druidic circles, all accomplish the same thing.

Fucking monkeys gather in social groups for safety, companionship and grooming.

It says nothing about the truth of your religion.

(11-05-2016 06:46 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Clearly religion is not interested in technological progress, but it is interested in the relational sphere.

While an individuals religious beliefs are unique to that individual, organized religion is a business oriented around social control and profit. Organized religion seeks to maintain the status quo and has stood against social reform and civil rights throughout history.

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