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18-11-2014, 08:50 PM
RE: Do you consider yourself a secular humanist?
Secular imperialist. Close enough.

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18-11-2014, 09:55 PM
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Human morality comes from the evolution of our minds that have slowly changed over a very long period of time to give us a greater chance of survivablilty, but through the evolution of ethics as well which is dependent on a plethora of factors.


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25-02-2016, 03:29 AM
RE: Do you consider yourself a secular humanist?
Just to revive an old thread..........on the differences between naturalism, humanism and atheism, i came across this, which i think makes quite a lot of sense.

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25-02-2016, 01:23 PM
RE: Do you consider yourself a secular humanist?
(27-08-2013 02:15 PM)Loki Wrote:  A lot of atheists do, but a lot of atheists don't, from what I gather. Where do you stand?

My objection to the term would be that it is a bit vague, essentially being synonymous with atheism plus some vague ethical and pro-science sentiments. I've seen all kinds of people, from Objectivists to Marxists, self-describe as humanists.

No. From what I have read about it there is much to agree with but my sense is that in many ways it is a secularized version of the morality of sacrifice. I sense it has collectivist elements and I am opposed to both. I consider myself an Objectivist and that's it.

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25-02-2016, 02:07 PM
RE: Do you consider yourself a secular humanist?
Voting never seems to work from my phone. Ah well.

I like humanist principles, but I do not restrict those values to human creatures. This distinction is important when considering nonhuman minds that nevertheless may feel, reason, aspire, fear, project, predict, and so on. The easy example is any extraterrestrial life we may someday meet. More controversial are advanced nonhuman terrestrial minds, like whales, elephants, and dolphins (not an exhaustive list). AI minds may someday be appropriate subjects of "humanist" considerations. Human minds altered in ways that cross traditional human boundaries, such as by adding electronic hardware or moving the mind into an inorganic substrate, should also be seen as people worthy of concern.

This makes me a transhumanist according to the vocabulary I'm familiar with. I will keep the "secular" label though. :-)
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25-02-2016, 04:31 PM
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(25-02-2016 01:23 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(27-08-2013 02:15 PM)Loki Wrote:  A lot of atheists do, but a lot of atheists don't, from what I gather. Where do you stand?

My objection to the term would be that it is a bit vague, essentially being synonymous with atheism plus some vague ethical and pro-science sentiments. I've seen all kinds of people, from Objectivists to Marxists, self-describe as humanists.

No. From what I have read about it there is much to agree with but my sense is that in many ways it is a secularized version of the morality of sacrifice. I sense it has collectivist elements and I am opposed to both. I consider myself an Objectivist and that's it.

I'm curious as to whose definition/description you are objecting. Consider

I am certainly a secular humanist by any reasonable definition of those words. I don't subscribe to any "official" version, if such exists.

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25-02-2016, 04:52 PM
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I had enjoyed these few threads of that Loki guy that popped in and out over long ages of time, wonder if now that this was brought up he would return again someday. Though he seemed quite awkward in his attempts to reach a conclusion of some sort.

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25-02-2016, 04:59 PM
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More like a secular nihilist.

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25-02-2016, 05:10 PM
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Half of the time I don't even feel like I'm one of those... whatchamacallits... humans.

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25-02-2016, 05:30 PM
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(25-02-2016 04:31 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(25-02-2016 01:23 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  No. From what I have read about it there is much to agree with but my sense is that in many ways it is a secularized version of the morality of sacrifice. I sense it has collectivist elements and I am opposed to both. I consider myself an Objectivist and that's it.

I'm curious as to whose definition/description you are objecting. Consider

I am certainly a secular humanist by any reasonable definition of those words. I don't subscribe to any "official" version, if such exists.

It's just the sense I get from them. As I said, I've not really looked into it. I could be wrong but that is the impression I get, that most secular humanists are leftists. Is this impression wrong?

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