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27-05-2012, 01:55 PM
RE: Do you have pets?
(27-05-2012 11:27 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  
(27-05-2012 10:20 AM)Dom Wrote:  Thanks. Smile I love cats too, and birds and rabbits and whatnot. Animals are great company.

I have to comment on the "attack dog".

There are 4 different categories:

Attack dogs: Will bite anyone at any time and generally got to be that way by being trained to be agressive, much like dogs used in dog fighting but with human decoys. These poor dogs have no life because everything in their life is flight or fight and they have been taught to choose fight. These are your "junk yard dogs".

Guard dogs: These will not bite (unless provoked) but they will raise heaven and hell at the sight of a stranger near their territory. They are often big and intimidating, but can be small too. My little Lhasa Apso is actually a guard breed, they hail from the Himalayas and were found in monasteries. They were inside dogs for the most part, and they worked in tandem with a larger, outdoor breed. The Lhasas would alarm and the big dogs would act on it. So a guard dog is like a burglar alarm. Mine is lazy though and only protects the car for some reason. Put him in a car and the little thing is ferocious.

Protection dogs or Schutzhunds: These have very meticulous breeding for many, many generations (like 200 years) for a sweet basic disposition, fearlessness and superior nose and learning ability. Police dogs come from the same stock. They have years of training and will be happy letting babies pull on their ears one minute, and chasing down a burglar the next. They will bite, but only in very specific situations, and they will out instantly on command by the owner but continue to guard and in serious situations help the owner "escort" a criminal to a place to meet with police. They make great family dogs and are trustworthy in any situation.

Police dogs: Same basic type as the protection dogs, and often they are trained side by side for the first couple of years. The police dog gets extra training, they are athletes and will scale walls and some even climb ladders. There is more training in tracking (finding people and objects, protection dogs do this too but not as extensively as police dogs), and basically all things taught to a protection dog are taken a step further with a police dog. Most police dogs can work on auto pilot, only some protection dogs will do that.

I thought I'd clear that up, these 4 types are very different animals. If you get caught in the cross hairs of a protection or police dog, stand still and you will be unscathed. No such luck with the other two types, they are generally bad news, even the guard dog can attack if you intrude in their territory, and they have no built in safe guards.

Schutzhund is also a sport, there are clubs everywhere and people compete with their dogs in tracking, obedience and protection. (Dogs have to be well socialized and good with people, as well as proficent in all 3 training categories). These dogs are amazingly in tune with the owner, they say that your feelings (happy, alarmed, concentration, etc etc) travel down the leash into the dog, even when the dog's back is turned to you.

Here is Drago on patrol, he does this a lot, on his own accord, it's a fun past time for him:






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That is a good breakdown. I was an ACO and dealt with all types. We had some moron trying to train an unstable GSD for protection. He couldn't get it to sit on command Smile

I once picked up a protection dog that some kids let loose as a joke. I never felt like he would do anything crazy, just a great stable dog. I'd like to get into schutzhund training when we can get a dog but insurers around here freak out, the dog they don't need to worry about and they give you trouble.

We get a lot of "dangerous breed" law proposals because we had a rash of idiots with dogs that require stable owners, I think most people lump attack dogs into the police/protection category.
Yes - Animal Control Officer, thanks for the insurer tip Smile - I would like to do SAR with a dog, I was going to check out a few groups around me and see if that makes things easier insurance wise, the time commitment is tough right now.

Of all the problems I dealt with I can only think of one where the dog was the root cause, it almost always went back to the owners.

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27-05-2012, 02:19 PM
RE: Do you have pets?
(27-05-2012 01:55 PM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  Yes - Animal Control Officer, thanks for the insurer tip Smile - I would like to do SAR with a dog, I was going to check out a few groups around me and see if that makes things easier insurance wise, the time commitment is tough right now.

Of all the problems I dealt with I can only think of one where the dog was the root cause, it almost always went back to the owners.


I doubt any insurance would have an issue with a SAR dog.

It is always the owners, with very few exceptions where the dog has a mental disorder - that can happen with animals just like with people. People are horrible sometimes.

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27-05-2012, 06:03 PM
RE: Do you have pets?
(27-05-2012 01:25 PM)Dom Wrote:  
Quote:That is a good breakdown. I was an ACO and dealt with all types. We had some moron trying to train an unstable GSD for protection. He couldn't get it to sit on command [Image: smile.gif]

I once picked up a protection dog that some kids let loose as a joke. I never felt like he would do anything crazy, just a great stable dog. I'd like to get into schutzhund training when we can get a dog but insurers around here freak out, the dog they don't need to worry about and they give you trouble.

We get a lot of "dangerous breed" law proposals because we had a rash of idiots with dogs that require stable owners, I think most people lump attack dogs into the police/protection category.

ACO = Animal Control officer?

State Farm will insure you....

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In Michigan and Pennsylvania, it's illegal for home insurers to deny coverage simply because a home has a dog of a particular breed, according to III. Other states have similar laws pending.

Some insurance companies will sell you coverage regardless of what type of breed you own. Jeff McCollum, spokesperson for State Farm, says that there are good and bad dogs within each breed, just like there are responsible and irresponsible dog owners.

"State Farm does not discriminate against certain breeds," McCollum says.

Ohio is the exception. It has a statute that labels a pit bull as a "vicious dog." Therefore, State Farm does not offer coverage under its home insurance policies for pit bulls in Ohio.

State Farm does require policyholders to answer questions about dogs on their home insurance applications. Specifically, the company wants to know if a dog has ever bitten anyone or if it has been trained for attack purposes.

If the dog has bitten someone, State Farm will want to know the circumstances surrounding the bite to determine if it is likely to happen again and if precautions have been taken to prevent it. Other factors the company looks at are the seriousness of the injury and whether the attack was provoked or unprovoked.

State Farm has paid out roughly $80 million annually, from 2002 to 2008, for dog bite-related claims, McCollum says. While the overall number of bites appears to be decreasing, the rise of medical costs per incident offsets the decrease, he adds.



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(27-05-2012 12:50 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I'll have to get a pic of my very fierce 14 pound Rat Terrier mix on patrol...as she runs and leaps like a gazelle when someone dares walk near out fence...I am sure she is very frightening.

My dogs are all small but they sure alert us to anyone being near the house...we are safe. Big Grin

And we know when a storm is coming long before weather radar...Chopper starts barking when it thunders in Oklahoma...an hour and a half away!


We had a rat terrier years ago. We lived in the middle of a bunch of fields, and when the fields were irrigated, rats came rushing into our yard.

This little dog was amazing, she would run, grab a rat by the neck and drop it - it was dead and it took seconds. She cleaned the whole mess of fields up in not time.

She was a total clown too, you could just sit in the garden and let her entertain you.

But the funniest thing was that she was a miniature Schutzhund. We had a lot of space so sometimes did training on the property. So one day we had a decoy guy sneek around. Well, the rat terrier spotted him before the Shepherd did, and in a flash she was hanging off his arm, she didn't fool around lol. Then the Shepherd came in and grabbed the other arm. When I told him to out, they both outed and barked at the guy. It was hilarious. She was scared of nothing and thought everything was a great game. You should have seen the face of the decoy guy, he'd been doing this for years and never saw her coming. (For those who don't know the sport, the guy is well protected, this one was wearing a full protection suit under his clothing)).
I have seen Lady catch birds in flight...she also can chase down rabbits and squirrels. The funniest thing is the way she leaps through the air...she does a great gazelle imitation.

She is handy at catching flies...if she sees one, she will stalk it till she gets it.

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27-05-2012, 10:48 PM (This post was last modified: 27-05-2012 11:28 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Do you have pets?
(27-05-2012 02:19 PM)Dom Wrote:  It is always the owners, with very few exceptions where the dog has a mental disorder - that can happen with animals just like with people. People are horrible sometimes.

I've seen bad dogs saved by good people. ... and I've seen bad people saved by good dogs.

Last time we had a Bearded Dragon was some 20 years ago when I killed Mo by feeding it a firefly. I didn't know no better. Sad


No fireflies for nuggy. Big Grin

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29-05-2012, 06:49 AM
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Karma is growing up...5 months old yesterday. Baby razor teeth finally gone and my wounds are healing.

She is at the clumsy stage now where she seems to be nothing but feet and legs. Making good progress on the barking issue...she is a crazy little thing.

See here they are, the bruises, some were self-inflicted and some showed up along the way. - JF
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29-05-2012, 09:20 AM
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Too cute! Glad to hear you're not being pricked by needles anymore. It seems like the smaller the dog, the sharper the baby teeth.

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29-05-2012, 10:11 AM
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I own a cat. She's absolutely gorgeous.

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31-05-2012, 05:42 AM
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Three cats, #1 (Kwon) was a very unwell kitten that had been abandoned by his mother who was a stray, and was found by my neighbours’ kids who couldn’t keep him.

He’s now about 10 years old and just escaped death after bouncing down the motorway at 100kph.

#2 (Bobby) turned up looking close to death and it took me a week or two to get near her to get her to a vet, it was going to be a one way trip (she was in a hell of a state) but they where confident they could fix her up.

So after buying my vet a new car and paying off a chunk of his mortgage I now have a quite fat, one eyed sloppy mess of a cat with no teeth and too many toes.

But she’s the most loving cat I’ve ever known.

#3 (Link) came to me in under a 4WD on top of its fuel tank, attacked an apprentice who tried to get him out, and once I had caught him was so scared he just curled up in my hand (he was tiny) and shook.

The couple who brought in the 4WD said they would take him to the SPCA but that’s often a death sentence so I gave him a home instead.

Looking a getting a dog, I’d like an Irish wolfhound but we’ll have to see. And it’s going to be Jax’s dog so her decision at the end of the day.

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31-05-2012, 06:04 AM
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Fuck an Irish wolfhound. Big Grin

I just had a vision of George - who is half wolfhound - tearing across the back yard trailing the severed arm he yanked off at the shoulder going after the wildlife. Stupid deer can't smell big ferocious predator? The fuck is wrong with 'em? But it didn't happen cause somehow George didn't see this thing bounding outta the bushes... he could tell he missed something 'cause he was all excited when I shortened up the leash. Kept looking over the neighbor's yard like, "what'd I miss, what'd I miss?" Big Grin

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31-05-2012, 07:42 AM
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No, they have me. Tongue

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