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28-06-2012, 10:26 AM
Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
On the off chance that there is
intelligent life out there somewhere; do you think that they would
want to have anything to do with such a superstitious life form? In
my personal opinion I think that any advanced lifeforms curious about
this planet, wouldn't bother with it until life on this planet
learned to move beyond superstitions. This is an idea I have been
toying with and trying to get into a script. I would like to know
what the people on this part of the interweb think. Thank you. Big Grin

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28-06-2012, 11:09 AM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
Not sure... wouldn't they want to come to try and aid the intelligent life get on the right track. Or do they have a "Prime Directive" type of rule halting interference.

Perhaps if they could do it; the aliens do not want to visit an intelligent life harvesting planet until that planet has a species that explores to other planets on their own. That would allow for the contact to be outside the home planet.

The whole idea behind your post reminds me of a great quote from the 1951 The Day The Earth Stood Still: "I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it."

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28-06-2012, 11:33 AM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(28-06-2012 10:26 AM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  I think that any advanced lifeforms curious about
this planet, wouldn't bother with it until life on this planet
learned to move beyond superstitions.

I would think it depends on how "advanced" the life form is. If some advanced life form is bent on manipulation then he's come to the right place! The superstitious are easily manipulated. Remember; the Aztecs thought Cortez was a God... until they figured out he wasn't. He did not fare well.

So, any advanced life form with a fair sized ego will be able take advantage, very easily.
How the two conflicting life forms work shit out... hmm... how does one figure out intent? Does big ego win the pissing contest? Hmm. That is the complexity of the situation... a story that will always involve change I'm sure... or ingenuity, at the very least.
Mysterious Alien agenda vs the ever popular (at-least-we-know-we're-human goddamnit!) gullible, human being.
********

Interesting post LabMonster13. Don't know what kind of time you have, but check out the rest of the forum if you have the chance. You might find some interesting characters to add to your pile of ideas about the nature of being human.

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Welcome to the forum. Smile

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28-06-2012, 12:17 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(28-06-2012 11:09 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Not sure... wouldn't they want to come to try and aid the intelligent life get on the right track. Or do they have a "Prime Directive" type of rule halting interference.

Perhaps if they could do it; the aliens do not want to visit an intelligent life harvesting planet until that planet has a species that explores to other planets on their own. That would allow for the contact to be outside the home planet.

The whole idea behind your post reminds me of a great quote from the 1951 The Day The Earth Stood Still: "I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it."
Interesting and great quote by the way,
from an excellent movie.


I am working off the premise that
hypothetically that the aliens could do it driven by curiosity and
that they became more advanced by doing away with their
superstitions, much like our own world would be right now if
superstition had gone away early in our history. I am just thinking
if I was viewing the planet from an alien perspective. For instance
aliens that want to explore, not warn or conquer. (For instance, I
crossed the united states from east to west cost last year. What
struck me the most is how beautiful our planet really is and how sad
it was that so much of the world only cares about their imaginary
friend and not what is in front of their face in the real world.) I
would think that any advanced civilization would have advanced
because they learned to do without superstitions, meaning they could
focus there efforts on the natural world and science. We see these
things within our own history, even recent history. Our ability to
survive on this planet or any other is being dictated by superstition
and the ignorance it brings.






This planet has tons of renewable
resources that are not being put to use because of stupid reasons.
For instance using trees instead of hemp for paper. This is an
extremely stupid idea for extremely stupid ideas. Humans have the
instinct to be afraid of what they don't know, however, they have the
capacity to overcome that fear thru understanding. Science is a tool
that helps us overcome those fears and move beyond them. Most people
in the world have no idea that we could be living in a star trek type
world right now if people would have a better understanding of the
real world and how cool things actually could be for everyone.
Superstitions on the other hand keep those fears alive and they can
be much more dangerous. The inadvertent dangers are the ones that
concern me the most. For instance: People that have superstitious
belief have much more of a tendency to drive dangerously then those
that do not. Mainly because the superstitious subconsciously believe
that something is looking out for them so they pay much less
attention to the details of driving then someone who does not. I will
stop my tangent here for now, before I go into the T.L.D.R. category
D:

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28-06-2012, 12:22 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(28-06-2012 11:33 AM)kim Wrote:  
(28-06-2012 10:26 AM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  I think that any advanced lifeforms curious about
this planet, wouldn't bother with it until life on this planet
learned to move beyond superstitions.

I would think it depends on how "advanced" the life form is. If some advanced life form is bent on manipulation then he's come to the right place! The superstitious are easily manipulated. Remember; the Aztecs thought Cortez was a God... until they figured out he wasn't. He did not fare well.

So, any advanced life form with a fair sized ego will be able take advantage, very easily.
How the two conflicting life forms work shit out... hmm... how does one figure out intent? Does big ego win the pissing contest? Hmm. That is the complexity of the situation... a story that will always involve change I'm sure... or ingenuity, at the very least.
Mysterious Alien agenda vs the ever popular (at-least-we-know-we're-human goddamnit!) gullible, human being.
********

Interesting post LabMonster13. Don't know what kind of time you have, but check out the rest of the forum if you have the chance. You might find some interesting characters to add to your pile of ideas about the nature of being human.

It's somewhat relaxed here, so feel free to expound on whatever you need to. It's ok if you are Theist or non-Theist, we have both running around here. I'm glad you came, and I hope to see more of you.

Welcome to the forum. Smile
Thank you and I hope it does go well
too. I will try and explore, my time is fairly limited. Sorry I am
duplicating my replies but I think it covers the important concepts I
am working with.





Anyways, I am working off the premise
that hypothetically that the aliens could do it driven by curiosity
and that they became more advanced by doing away with their
superstitions, much like our own world would be right now if
superstition had gone away early in our history. I am just thinking
if I was viewing the planet from an alien perspective. For instance
aliens that want to explore, not warn or conquer. (For instance, I
crossed the united states from east to west cost last year. What
struck me the most is how beautiful our planet really is and how sad
it was that so much of the world only cares about their imaginary
friend and not what is in front of their face in the real world.) I
would think that any advanced civilization would have advanced
because they learned to do without superstitions, meaning they could
focus there efforts on the natural world and science. We see these
things within our own history, even recent history. Our ability to
survive on this planet or any other is being dictated by superstition
and the ignorance it brings.






This planet has tons of renewable
resources that are not being put to use because of stupid reasons.
For instance using trees instead of hemp for paper. This is an
extremely stupid idea for extremely stupid ideas. Humans have the
instinct to be afraid of what they don't know, however, they have the
capacity to overcome that fear thru understanding. Science is a tool
that helps us overcome those fears and move beyond them. Most people
in the world have no idea that we could be living in a star trek type
world right now if people would have a better understanding of the
real world and how cool things actually could be for everyone.
Superstitions on the other hand keep those fears alive and they can
be much more dangerous. The inadvertent dangers are the ones that
concern me the most. For instance: People that have superstitious
belief have much more of a tendency to drive dangerously then those
that do not. Mainly because the superstitious subconsciously believe
that something is looking out for them so they pay much less
attention to the details of driving then someone who does not. I will
stop my tangent here for now, before I go into the T.L.D.R. category
D:

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28-06-2012, 01:11 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(28-06-2012 10:26 AM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  On the off chance that there is
intelligent life out there somewhere; do you think that they would
want to have anything to do with such a superstitious life form? In
my personal opinion I think that any advanced lifeforms curious about
this planet, wouldn't bother with it until life on this planet
learned to move beyond superstitions. This is an idea I have been
toying with and trying to get into a script. I would like to know
what the people on this part of the interweb think. Thank you. Big Grin
Why not? Maybe the aliens are themselves superstitious. Or maybe they have no concept of what 'superstition' is and humans make a great case file for study.

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28-06-2012, 01:35 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(28-06-2012 01:11 PM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  
(28-06-2012 10:26 AM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  On the off chance that there is
intelligent life out there somewhere; do you think that they would
want to have anything to do with such a superstitious life form? In
my personal opinion I think that any advanced lifeforms curious about
this planet, wouldn't bother with it until life on this planet
learned to move beyond superstitions. This is an idea I have been
toying with and trying to get into a script. I would like to know
what the people on this part of the interweb think. Thank you. Big Grin
Why not? Maybe the aliens are themselves superstitious. Or maybe they have no concept of what 'superstition' is and humans make a great case file for study.
From my point of view an alien culture
that has the technology to travel through space at vast distances
would not be superstitious. Much like our own human culture suffers
the stagnation of advancement with superstition. I have made personal
observations that the more people learn about the natural world and
allow themselves to be exposed to all kinds of information,
(Sceptically of coarse) the less likely they will be inclined to
approach problems in a destructive way and the more likely they will
problem solve in a constructive manner.






Having no concept is an interesting
idea to play around with but I think it is unlikely if life evolves
similarly on other planets. Also our superstitious nature comes from
our ability to find patterns and that pattern seeking ability is also
how we developed science. To provide the correct information for the
world around us, which in turn is how we advance ourselves. We just
need to get rid of the superstitious part.






Thank you very much I am finding this
very useful in working out the problems.

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29-06-2012, 02:46 AM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
Our superstition is the best bait for an advanced species. This way they can manipulate us very easy, they just pretend they are God(s) and the sheep listens and follows. They can sell us whatever story they want.

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29-06-2012, 07:41 AM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
Where do you think that stupid "god" idea came from in the first place? Huh?

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29-06-2012, 12:27 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 02:46 AM)Filox Wrote:  Our superstition is the best bait for an advanced species. This way they can manipulate us very easy, they just pretend they are God(s) and the sheep listens and follows. They can sell us whatever story they want.
See this is the fundamental problem
that I am struggling with. The concept that you are proposing is an
interesting one and tempting for a lot of reasons. Prometheus is
trying to go in that direction story wise and for me it was an utter
failure. The point that I am trying to make is that the scientists,
(I use the term broadly.) on our own planet to not look at it as
something to conquer or exploit. They seek new understanding. I think
that our quest for knowledge is pretty amazing and takes us into
directions we never thought possible. I think that when you begin to
understand and realize that we are all a part of this universe made
up of everything in it, your perspective changes. All the atheistic
scientists tend to share common views on the world. A fundamental
perspective, I hear it almost everyday when I listen to scientific
radio. This perspective is that we are and can do so much more. That
humans are really more amazing creatures then people realize. When
you see people have the Ah Ha moments, their minds begin to spark
with possibilities again. I do mean again. Children have these
moments early on. If you want to feel young again learn something
new.


The common bronze age superstition and
thought explains a lot about the world around us, the world we
unfortunately live in. I start to see recurring themes all the time.
For instance I have read several articles from people that used to
work in wall-street. And they had talked about how it was a culture
of scarcity within it that breeds hoarding, mistrust, and unfriendly
competition. It is not an environment that you can be happy in. They
remarked that once they reversed their point of view they saw the
world much differentially, and they were truly happy. This reminds me
of the same things that happen when people stop with their blind
belief system, usually found in religion. Most of the people that are
able to do this seem to have a period of time where everything
appears bleak. This bleakness usually goes away with the more that
they learn about the real world and how fundamentally amazing it
really is. The point is that these are the lessons that you learn
from religious texts and it is what you would expect to find in a
society that still is trying to adapt a bronze age mentality. It very
well maybe subtle, subconscious, and inadvertent, however, when you
start to see the differences in behavior you begin to see an overall
difference. I think that aliens if they were to find this planet they
would be advanced and they would be seekers of knowledge. Thank you
very much for your perspective, I find it invaluable.

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