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29-06-2012, 12:28 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 07:41 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Where do you think that stupid "god" idea came from in the first place? Huh?

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29-06-2012, 12:46 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
First of all, it's not an "off chance". Plug in some numbers, to the Drake equation,

http://aftercontact.org/2010/11/online-d...-yourself/

and multiply by 100,000,000,000 galaxies.

Hawking says best to leave them alone.

http://theuncreator.blogspot.com/2010/04...-says.html .

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29-06-2012, 01:33 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 12:46 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  First of all, it's not an "off chance". Plug in some numbers, to the Drake equation,

http://aftercontact.org/2010/11/online-d...-yourself/

Ha - that was cool.
The article states:
Quote:Assuming the conservative figure of 200 billion stars in our galaxy, with planets orbiting 20 per cent of those, we calculated 132,000 galactic civilizations within the past 100 million years, even if the development of intelligent life is a rare occurrence. The question then becomes, why haven’t we heard them yet?

Uh ... cause they're just as retarded as we are? Blink Maybe.

I'm thinking of it in logistical terms. The rapid expansion of the universe is going to be just as relative to another occurrence of life. So, who's to say that that life is at another level of intelligence or their intelligence is even similar? All things being equal as it were... I'd say it's logical to think that another life, no matter how different it might be, would be at or around the same level of advancement as we find ourselves, relative to our "beginning".

I don't know about Hawking... I think he might be getting sentimental in his old age. Wink
But he is kind of right; if there are aliens, what must they be like? How they are could be a factor in their agenda. Behavior of both "creature we know" and "creature we don't know", will determine how they interact.

Needs are usually at the top of the list for any kind of survival. If one is advanced enough, then desire is thrown into the behavior... and desire is often contrary to needs... or at least has a significant affect on it. Observing the behavior of two different species, separate as well as together; things don't always mesh up well. One often finds that's usually why they stay separate.

Then of course, there's the parasite and host; both usually end up needing each other, and it's far more successful than surviving separately.

Hmm. Interesting. Shy

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29-06-2012, 01:46 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
I would think it depends on their curiosity. Our curiosity is such that if we find even a group of humans that are untouched by outside cultures we are fascinated and we try to study them as best we can without disrupting their culture- because once it's contaminated by modern life there's no going back.

So then, why wouldn't they want to study us if they share the same curiosity that we humans have?

Also, I think someone made a good point- maybe they're superstitious too in some way. We don't hold the corner on superstition. Wherever questions are unanswered superstition can seep in somehow.

But I think it's more likely that if they've become advanced, they have had to do so by studying the universe around them. So they must have some amount of curiosity. I would think curiosity would push them to look and listen, but maybe not necessarily to make contact with humanity.

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29-06-2012, 02:04 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 12:46 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  First of all, it's not an "off chance". Plug in some numbers, to the Drake equation,

http://aftercontact.org/2010/11/online-d...-yourself/

and multiply by 100,000,000,000 galaxies.

Hawking says best to leave them alone.

http://theuncreator.blogspot.com/2010/04...-says.html .
Yes I am aware of the
numbers and you are correct, thank you. I find it fascinating and
truly awe inspiring.





On Hawking: Simply, I think that he is
wrong, I understand the point of view but I believe that he is in
error about it. I think that it is still a bit of bronze age
mentality seeping in. I think that it is far more likely that if
humans encounter an alien species that is more advanced that
advancement will lead them to continue searching for knowledge. We as
a species have become the dominate life form on this planet because
we work together. We have the ability to control our nature. Most
humans if you give them the option of do you want to kill someone or
have sex. Which one will they choose? I think in most cases it is
pretty obvious. People all over the world are trying to adapt bronze
age mentality to twenty-first century technology. We many examples of
societies that at one time were the hub of intellectual thought and
have become the most barbaric places on this planet. They became
barbaric because of the mentality that comes from religion. I think
it is very problematic to think of civilizations that have advanced
to the point of easy interstellar travel to have reached that point
by a type of bronze age mentality. They would not they would nit pick
and destroy their ability to do much else and we will probably never
be aware of their existence at all.


I think it is more likely that the
more a civilization works together to have an understanding the more
likely that the culture would have done away primitive concepts. The
more you learn about the universe the more you care about it. I think
the old tired notions from a bronze age perspective on life on this
planet are wrong and turning that perspective towards the universe
would be an unfortunate mistake. I think the perspective of aliens
being technologically advanced to be able to travel the universe and
still have stupid outdated primitive notions about consumption to be
more unlikely. A scientist doesn't look up at the universe and think
the first thing they want to do is conquer the first primitive world
they come across. That perspective comes from idiots that have
inherited their wealth, most of them being highly religious. This
primitive mentality is why we are stagnating as a race instead of
moving on and progressing. Just because a person wears a suit or
seems to be in a position of authority does not mean that they know
any better then you do, in fact for a lot of these people in
positions of “power”, you probably do know better. It is a fact
that the more you learn the smarter you get and most people that
learn make mistakes. Making mistakes is how we learn and grow.
Unfortunately most of this planet still tries to fit the bronze age
agricultural mentality into the way we learn. That type of schooling
is very poor. It is a fact that if you teach people in a way that is
up to their potential they will learn. Any subject can be interesting
if taught by the right person in the right context.

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29-06-2012, 02:06 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 01:46 PM)kineo Wrote:  I would think it depends on their curiosity. Our curiosity is such that if we find even a group of humans that are untouched by outside cultures we are fascinated and we try to study them as best we can without disrupting their culture- because once it's contaminated by modern life there's no going back.

So then, why wouldn't they want to study us if they share the same curiosity that we humans have?

Also, I think someone made a good point- maybe they're superstitious too in some way. We don't hold the corner on superstition. Wherever questions are unanswered superstition can seep in somehow.

But I think it's more likely that if they've become advanced, they have had to do so by studying the universe around them. So they must have some amount of curiosity. I would think curiosity would push them to look and listen, but maybe not necessarily to make contact with humanity.
It would also seem highly likely they would be a mix of rational and superstitious.

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29-06-2012, 02:15 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 01:46 PM)kineo Wrote:  I would think it depends on their curiosity. Our curiosity is such that if we find even a group of humans that are untouched by outside cultures we are fascinated and we try to study them as best we can without disrupting their culture- because once it's contaminated by modern life there's no going back.

So then, why wouldn't they want to study us if they share the same curiosity that we humans have?

Also, I think someone made a good point- maybe they're superstitious too in some way. We don't hold the corner on superstition. Wherever questions are unanswered superstition can seep in somehow.

But I think it's more likely that if they've become advanced, they have had to do so by studying the universe around them. So they must have some amount of curiosity. I would think curiosity would push them to look and listen, but maybe not necessarily to make contact with humanity.
I think that on the superstition once
the phenomena is understood it is more likely to be avoided.


I think that an advanced race would be
more interested in knowledge and exploring then anything else. It is
more likely that they are very good at solving problems and we are
too. We just have a large percent of our planet still being kept in
the dark about the universe.

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29-06-2012, 02:22 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 01:33 PM)kim Wrote:  
(29-06-2012 12:46 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  First of all, it's not an "off chance". Plug in some numbers, to the Drake equation,

http://aftercontact.org/2010/11/online-d...-yourself/

Ha - that was cool.
The article states:
Quote:Assuming the conservative figure of 200 billion stars in our galaxy, with planets orbiting 20 per cent of those, we calculated 132,000 galactic civilizations within the past 100 million years, even if the development of intelligent life is a rare occurrence. The question then becomes, why haven’t we heard them yet?

Uh ... cause they're just as retarded as we are? Blink Maybe.

I'm thinking of it in logistical terms. The rapid expansion of the universe is going to be just as relative to another occurrence of life. So, who's to say that that life is at another level of intelligence or their intelligence is even similar? All things being equal as it were... I'd say it's logical to think that another life, no matter how different it might be, would be at or around the same level of advancement as we find ourselves, relative to our "beginning".

I don't know about Hawking... I think he might be getting sentimental in his old age. Wink
But he is kind of right; if there are aliens, what must they be like? How they are could be a factor in their agenda. Behavior of both "creature we know" and "creature we don't know", will determine how they interact.

Needs are usually at the top of the list for any kind of survival. If one is advanced enough, then desire is thrown into the behavior... and desire is often contrary to needs... or at least has a significant affect on it. Observing the behavior of two different species, separate as well as together; things don't always mesh up well. One often finds that's usually why they stay separate.

Then of course, there's the parasite and host; both usually end up needing each other, and it's far more successful than surviving separately.

Hmm. Interesting. Shy
I am going to add in my response to
another post because it is relevant. I do not think that we are as
retarded as we are portrayed by our own media. I think it is more of
trying to adapt to an environment that has been rigged by
superstitious bronze age idiots.


On Hawking: Simply, I think that he is
wrong, I understand the point of view but I believe that he is in
error about it. I think that it is still a bit of bronze age
mentality seeping in. I think that it is far more likely that if
humans encounter an alien species that is more advanced that
advancement will lead them to continue searching for knowledge. We as
a species have become the dominate life form on this planet because
we work together. We have the ability to control our nature. Most
humans if you give them the option of do you want to kill someone or
have sex. Which one will they choose? I think in most cases it is
pretty obvious. People all over the world are trying to adapt bronze
age mentality to twenty-first century technology. We many examples of
societies that at one time were the hub of intellectual thought and
have become the most barbaric places on this planet. They became
barbaric because of the mentality that comes from religion. I think
it is very problematic to think of civilizations that have advanced
to the point of easy interstellar travel to have reached that point
by a type of bronze age mentality. They would not they would nit pick
and destroy their ability to do much else and we will probably never
be aware of their existence at all.


I think it is more likely that the
more a civilization works together to have an understanding the more
likely that the culture would have done away primitive concepts. The
more you learn about the universe the more you care about it. I think
the old tired notions from a bronze age perspective on life on this
planet are wrong and turning that perspective towards the universe
would be an unfortunate mistake. I think the perspective of aliens
being technologically advanced to be able to travel the universe and
still have stupid outdated primitive notions about consumption to be
more unlikely. A scientist doesn't look up at the universe and think
the first thing they want to do is conquer the first primitive world
they come across. That perspective comes from idiots that have
inherited their wealth, most of them being highly religious. This
primitive mentality is why we are stagnating as a race instead of
moving on and progressing. Just because a person wears a suit or
seems to be in a position of authority does not mean that they know
any better then you do, in fact for a lot of these people in
positions of “power”, you probably do know better. It is a fact
that the more you learn the smarter you get and most people that
learn make mistakes. Making mistakes is how we learn and grow.
Unfortunately most of this planet still tries to fit the bronze age
agricultural mentality into the way we learn. That type of schooling
is very poor. It is a fact that if you teach people in a way that is
up to their potential they will learn. Any subject can be interesting
if taught by the right person in the right context.

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29-06-2012, 02:39 PM
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(29-06-2012 02:06 PM)Chas Wrote:  It would also seem highly likely they would be a mix of rational and superstitious.

Agree, progress is usually because of a delicate balance between grappling with adversity and overcoming it. Not having a bit of an appreciation for ... intellectual slack ... makes for a boring landscape. Henri Rousseau once remarked to Pablo Picasso, "Ah Pablo, it is wonderful you and I can exist side by side in such an enlightened, artistic age; myself the modernist and you the primitive." And he fucking meant every word. Thumbsup

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29-06-2012, 03:01 PM (This post was last modified: 29-06-2012 03:58 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 02:04 PM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  I think that it is still a bit of bronze age
mentality seeping in. I think that it is far more likely that if
humans encounter an alien species that is more advanced that
advancement will lead them to continue searching for knowledge. We as
a species have become the dominate life form on this planet because
we work together. We have the ability to control our nature. Most
humans if you give them the option of do you want to kill someone or
have sex. Which one will they choose? I think in most cases it is
pretty obvious. People all over the world are trying to adapt bronze
age mentality to twenty-first century technology. We many examples of
societies that at one time were the hub of intellectual thought and
have become the most barbaric places on this planet. They became
barbaric because of the mentality that comes from religion. I think
it is very problematic to think of civilizations that have advanced
to the point of easy interstellar travel to have reached that point
by a type of bronze age mentality. They would not they would nit pick
and destroy their ability to do much else and we will probably never
be aware of their existence at all.


I think it is more likely that the
more a civilization works together to have an understanding the more
likely that the culture would have done away primitive concepts. The
more you learn about the universe the more you care about it. I think
the old tired notions from a bronze age perspective on life on this
planet are wrong and turning that perspective towards the universe
would be an unfortunate mistake. I think the perspective of aliens
being technologically advanced to be able to travel the universe and
still have stupid outdated primitive notions about consumption to be
more unlikely. A scientist doesn't look up at the universe and think
the first thing they want to do is conquer the first primitive world
they come across. That perspective comes from idiots that have
inherited their wealth, most of them being highly religious. This
primitive mentality is why we are stagnating as a race instead of
moving on and progressing. Just because a person wears a suit or
seems to be in a position of authority does not mean that they know
any better then you do, in fact for a lot of these people in
positions of “power”, you probably do know better. It is a fact
that the more you learn the smarter you get and most people that
learn make mistakes. Making mistakes is how we learn and grow.
Unfortunately most of this planet still tries to fit the bronze age
agricultural mentality into the way we learn. That type of schooling
is very poor. It is a fact that if you teach people in a way that is
up to their potential they will learn. Any subject can be interesting
if taught by the right person in the right context.


Sorry. I took the phrase "off chance" to mean low probability. What does "off chance" mean ?
What exactly is "bronze age mentality", and how do you know that ?
How do you know you are not just apthropomorphically projecting peaceful intentions ? What will you do, if you are wrong ?
How do we know that under other conditions, cooperation among individuals did not lead to bad outcomes, for groups ?
What does "controlling our nature" mean ?
How do you know the barbarism was caused by religion, and not the mis-application of religion, or by someone who says they are religious, but is really not ?
I neither "care" nor "dis-care" about the universe. What do you mean by "care" ?
Isn't the fact that for example Mark Zuckerburg and his friends, no longer value "consumption", (as who cares about "stuff" on the space ship), lead one to think the accumulation of junk is not the future ?
Show me the study which proves : a. that people of inherited wealth have the same opinions, b. what they are, c. that they are religious, d. they they are more religious than any others.
How do you know they are not digital, and have no morality, only "energy seeking" ?

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