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29-06-2012, 03:56 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 03:01 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(29-06-2012 02:04 PM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  I think that it is still a bit of bronze age
mentality seeping in. I think that it is far more likely that if
humans encounter an alien species that is more advanced that
advancement will lead them to continue searching for knowledge. We as
a species have become the dominate life form on this planet because
we work together. We have the ability to control our nature. Most
humans if you give them the option of do you want to kill someone or
have sex. Which one will they choose? I think in most cases it is
pretty obvious. People all over the world are trying to adapt bronze
age mentality to twenty-first century technology. We many examples of
societies that at one time were the hub of intellectual thought and
have become the most barbaric places on this planet. They became
barbaric because of the mentality that comes from religion. I think
it is very problematic to think of civilizations that have advanced
to the point of easy interstellar travel to have reached that point
by a type of bronze age mentality. They would not they would nit pick
and destroy their ability to do much else and we will probably never
be aware of their existence at all.


I think it is more likely that the
more a civilization works together to have an understanding the more
likely that the culture would have done away primitive concepts. The
more you learn about the universe the more you care about it. I think
the old tired notions from a bronze age perspective on life on this
planet are wrong and turning that perspective towards the universe
would be an unfortunate mistake. I think the perspective of aliens
being technologically advanced to be able to travel the universe and
still have stupid outdated primitive notions about consumption to be
more unlikely. A scientist doesn't look up at the universe and think
the first thing they want to do is conquer the first primitive world
they come across. That perspective comes from idiots that have
inherited their wealth, most of them being highly religious. This
primitive mentality is why we are stagnating as a race instead of
moving on and progressing. Just because a person wears a suit or
seems to be in a position of authority does not mean that they know
any better then you do, in fact for a lot of these people in
positions of “power”, you probably do know better. It is a fact
that the more you learn the smarter you get and most people that
learn make mistakes. Making mistakes is how we learn and grow.
Unfortunately most of this planet still tries to fit the bronze age
agricultural mentality into the way we learn. That type of schooling
is very poor. It is a fact that if you teach people in a way that is
up to their potential they will learn. Any subject can be interesting
if taught by the right person in the right context.


Sorry. I took the phrase "off chance" to mean low probability. What does "off chance" mean ?
What exactly is "bronze age mentality", and how do you know that ?
How do you know you are not just apthropomorphically projecting peaceful intentions ? What will you do, if you are wrong ?
How do we know that under other conditions, cooperation among individuals did not lead to bad outcomes, for groups ?
What does "controlling our nature" mean ?
How do you know the barbarism was caused by religion, and not the mis-application of religion, or by someone who says they are religious, but is really not ?
I neither "care" nor "dis-care" about the universe. WHat do you mean by "care" ?
Isn't the fact that for example Mark Zuckerburg and his friends, no longer value "consumption", (as who care about "stuff" on the space ship), lead one to think the accumulation of junk is not the future ?
Show me the study which proves : a. that people of inherited wealth have the same opinions, b. what they are, c. that they are religious, d. they they are more religious than any others.
How do you know they are not digital, and have no morality, only "energy seeking" ?
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I took the phrase "off chance" to mean low probability.
What does "off chance" mean ? Off chance was a figure of
speech. And I was meaning the hypothetical near future contact with a
more advanced civilization.
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What
exactly is "bronze age mentality", and how do you know that
? The beginnings of the Aberhamic religious texts.
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How
do you know you are not just apthropomorphically projecting peaceful
intentions ? This is easy I don't know and it is why I am trying to
have the conversation in the first place.
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[font=Times New Roman, serif]What
will you do, if you are wrong ? If I am wrong then I am wrong and
either way it doesn't really matter.
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How
do we know that under other conditions, cooperation among individuals
did not lead to bad outcomes, for groups ? It most certainly has lead
to horrible outcomes. I do think that we as human beings are capable
of so much more, especially with facts, truth, and knowledge.
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What
does "controlling our nature" mean ? As a small example: We
have developed the use of condoms and birth-control pills so we no
longer have to have sexual relations for the sake of procreation.
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How
do you know the barbarism was caused by religion, and not the
mis-application of religion, or by someone who says they are
religious, but is really not ? I am not necessarily saying that
religion caused barbarism, but rather is a product of it and that it
is keeping those values of early humanity alive today.
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I
neither "care" nor "dis-care" about the universe.
WHat do you mean by "care" ? I am not sure how this is
relevant. I care in the standard sense of the word and did not know
that there are other definitions.
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Isn't
the fact that for example Mark Zuckerburg and his friends, no longer
value "consumption", (as who care about "stuff"
on the space ship), lead one to think the accumulation of junk is not
the future ?
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have no idea what Zuckerburg or his friends value or do not value.
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Show
me the study which proves : a. that people of inherited wealth have
the same opinions, b. what they are, c. that they are religious, d.
they they are more religious than any others.
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brothers, Mitt Romney, Donald Trump. All of them have inherited their
wealth and they all claim to be religious. There is far too much
information on them all to list here. Feel free to research.
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line of questioning seems a little hostile to me, though it is online
so I would like to be clear on your intent. Yes I make assertions but
I base them on facts to the best of my ability.
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29-06-2012, 05:12 PM (This post was last modified: 29-06-2012 05:27 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 03:56 PM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  This line of questioning seems a little hostile to me, though it is online
so I would like to be clear on your intent. Yes I make assertions but
I base them on facts to the best of my ability.


Facts ? What facts ?

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29-06-2012, 06:55 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 05:12 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(29-06-2012 03:56 PM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  This line of questioning seems a little hostile to me, though it is online
so I would like to be clear on your intent. Yes I make assertions but
I base them on facts to the best of my ability.


Facts ? What facts ?
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29-06-2012, 07:21 PM (This post was last modified: 29-06-2012 07:51 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
I see a bunch of references, (which are not in dispute). Preachers don't expect to be questioned. Got it.

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29-06-2012, 08:39 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 07:21 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I see a bunch of references, (which are not in dispute). Preachers don't expect to be questioned. Got it.
I have already answered all of your questions in my earlier reply and have provided references for some of the source information provided. If you do not like my topic or found it too hard to understand that's cool too. You can say I am full of shit and leave it at that, you are entitled to your own opinion. I thank you for your time and effort.

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29-06-2012, 09:29 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 08:39 PM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  I have already answered all of your questions in my earlier reply and have provided references for some of the source information provided. If you do not like my topic or found it too hard to understand that's cool too. You can say I am full of shit and leave it at that, you are entitled to your own opinion. I thank you for your time and effort.


You have answered not one of the questions, and on top of that you assumed hostility by being questioned at all. I like your topic, but obviously your anthropocentric, culturally and economicially biased view does not allow you to consider aliens, except in terms of humans. I will leave it when and how I choose. Thank you Jesus.

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29-06-2012, 10:13 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(28-06-2012 10:26 AM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  On the off chance that there is
intelligent life out there somewhere; do you think that they would
want to have anything to do with such a superstitious life form? In
my personal opinion I think that any advanced lifeforms curious about
this planet, wouldn't bother with it until life on this planet
learned to move beyond superstitions. This is an idea I have been
toying with and trying to get into a script. I would like to know
what the people on this part of the interweb think. Thank you. Big Grin
Well at least I thought it was an interesting idea. Wink

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30-06-2012, 05:09 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(29-06-2012 10:13 PM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  
(28-06-2012 10:26 AM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  On the off chance that there is
intelligent life out there somewhere; do you think that they would
want to have anything to do with such a superstitious life form? In
my personal opinion I think that any advanced lifeforms curious about
this planet, wouldn't bother with it until life on this planet
learned to move beyond superstitions. This is an idea I have been
toying with and trying to get into a script. I would like to know
what the people on this part of the interweb think. Thank you. Big Grin
Well at least I thought it was an interesting idea. Wink

Ha - it is an interesting idea. It's possible some of us may be excited rather than hostile, although I actually speak for no one but me. Shy
I also think LabMonster, some of us may have gathered from your writing, that you already have a preconceived notion of sorts... of Atheist, humanoid-like aliens, who come to Earth to interact with Atheist humans, and whew -aren't we lucky that we've given up superstition or we'd be fucked. Maybe to some it seems as if you've come for some blind confirmation. Possibly some don't see consideration given or see enough of a brainstorm evident to arrive at an original idea. Hmm.

Humanity is humanity for a reason... it took a long time to get this way, and evolution does not take "the best of the best"... because that may not provide the best possibilities to adapt and survive. We're quite fragile in many ways, but often and quite profoundly, this vulnerability reminds us of our strength as humans, continually overcoming adversity both genetically and psychologically. Logically, everything builds on itself... development is key.

A famous marine biologist recently acknowledged that the term "fish" is the most completely absurd and incorrect classification we have, because so very many things we call fish are so completely not fish. Oh, we pretend we know what fish are like; we make them talk and give them recognizable personalities in movies -we make them mommy and daddy fish... "fish are not food, fish are friends". But we really have no idea how fish feel or if they feel at all. Do fish have emotion? Do they desire, fear, care, excite, hate? How, and very importantly why? Fish are right here in our oceans, yet we haven't much of a clue as to what they must be like.

If we don't know what fish are like, how would we - how could we possibly know what aliens might be like?
Maybe some feel that starting with humans could be kind of ass backward when considering what an alien might be like. Notions too narrow show us nothing of where we've been or where we might be headed... to say nothing of how we might perceive an alien at any given moment.

Don't know. Just brainstorming here. Any new thoughts? Shy

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30-06-2012, 05:25 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(30-06-2012 05:09 PM)kim Wrote:  If we don't know what fish are like, how would we - how could we possibly know what aliens might be like?

Maybe some feel that starting with humans could be kind of ass backward
when considering what an alien might be like. Notions too narrow show
us nothing of where we've been or where we might be headed... to say
nothing of how we might perceive an alien at any given moment.
Interesting. One reason to start with humans is that humans are intelligent, conscious, while fish are not. An interesting model is to think about how we might communicate with dolphins, elephants, dogs, etc. - species that appear to have some level of intelligence, but not the same as human intelligence.

Aliens that can master science and technology to cross interstellar distances are likely more comparable to humans than to fish; but they may be more comparable to bees or termites.

I'd like humanity to have contact with aliens before I die.

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30-06-2012, 05:40 PM
RE: Do you think that aliens would bother to come to a highly superstitious planet?
(30-06-2012 05:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  Aliens that can master science and technology to cross interstellar distances are likely more comparable to humans than to fish; but they may be more comparable to bees or termites.

I'd like humanity to have contact with aliens before I die.

Mmm.. me too... and I'd love it if they were like Bees. Think of the communication challenges that would provide us with! Smile

Stand back, everyone.... I need to order lunch with my Bee dance. Tongue

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