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02-05-2012, 03:38 PM
Do you think there are advanced alien races out there similar to ours?
It is very likely that we are not alone in the cosmos and we have already discovered bacteria on mars. But how likey do you think it is that there are other intelligent civilisations out there more or less advanced than us.
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02-05-2012, 03:44 PM
RE: Do you think there are advanced alien races out there similar to ours?
Not so that it matters. Thinking in terms of conservation and entropy, there's prolly only one such "intelligent" species per so many parsecs of space.

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02-05-2012, 03:44 PM
RE: Do you think there are advanced alien races out there similar to ours?
(02-05-2012 03:38 PM)Curlzer Wrote:  It is very likely that we are not alone in the cosmos and we have already discovered bacteria on mars. But how likey do you think it is that there are other intelligent civilisations out there more or less advanced than us.
I'll reference Contact.

If just one out of a million stars had planets and just one out of a million of those had life and just one out of a million of those had intelligent life, there could literally be millions of civilizations out there.

If there's not. It sure seems like an awful waste of space.

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02-05-2012, 03:56 PM
RE: Do you think there are advanced alien races out there similar to ours?
(02-05-2012 03:44 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(02-05-2012 03:38 PM)Curlzer Wrote:  It is very likely that we are not alone in the cosmos and we have already discovered bacteria on mars. But how likey do you think it is that there are other intelligent civilisations out there more or less advanced than us.
I'll reference Contact.

If just one out of a million stars had planets and just one out of a million of those had life and just one out of a million of those had intelligent life, there could literally be millions of civilizations out there.

If there's not. It sure seems like an awful waste of space.
That is a reference that suffices as it was written by Carl Sagan.

To suggest that we are the only intelligent life out there is supremely arrogant.

At most, you should only consider that we could be the first as everything needs a first. I personally don't think we are the first, but it's very plausible.

I have a problem with the common Hollywood depiction of aliens. We look like no other species on this planet. The closest are primates, but even they aren't bi-pedal. What are the chances aliens look like us?

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02-05-2012, 04:09 PM
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(02-05-2012 03:56 PM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  
(02-05-2012 03:44 PM)germanyt Wrote:  I'll reference Contact.

If just one out of a million stars had planets and just one out of a million of those had life and just one out of a million of those had intelligent life, there could literally be millions of civilizations out there.

If there's not. It sure seems like an awful waste of space.
That is a reference that suffices as it was written by Carl Sagan.

To suggest that we are the only intelligent life out there is supremely arrogant.

At most, you should only consider that we could be the first as everything needs a first. I personally don't think we are the first, but it's very plausible.

I have a problem with the common Hollywood depiction of aliens. We look like no other species on this planet. The closest are primates, but even they aren't bi-pedal. What are the chances aliens look like us?
I saw a great documentary one time on PBS or Discovery that examined what species from other planets would look like. It created a dozen or so hypothetical planets with varying properties. Some were much larger than Earth, some smaller. Some with thick atmospheres and some with thin. They tried to determine what the creatures there would look like. Heavy gravity planets would have organism with legs located directly underneath their bodies to support themselves, lower gravity would have more reptile like leg structure. You get the idea. It was a really intersting show. I can't remember the name though.

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02-05-2012, 04:17 PM
RE: Do you think there are advanced alien races out there similar to ours?
(02-05-2012 03:38 PM)Curlzer Wrote:  It is very likely that we are not alone in the cosmos and we have already discovered bacteria on mars. But how likey do you think it is that there are other intelligent civilisations out there more or less advanced than us.
What? You never read Horton Hears A Who? Dodgy


How do we know bacteria isn't intelligent? There seems to be a lot of variety and each seem able to spread and multiply pretty good; looks like they want to survive. Just because we are unable to communicate with something, doesn't mean it's not a sentient being. Not that I'm advocating communicating with bacteria, but I often wonder what they must make of us. Shocking
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02-05-2012, 04:22 PM
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Nope! This is IT! I see no other proof of anything else being as screwed up as we are.

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02-05-2012, 05:01 PM
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(02-05-2012 03:38 PM)Curlzer Wrote:  Do you think there are advanced alien races out there similar to ours?


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The (Frank) Drake equation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

The Drake equation states that:


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N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible;

R= the average rate of star formation per year in our galaxy


fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fℓ = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space

You can plug in your own numbers, and cook up your own estimate, inthe link below. Keep in mind, that within the last two years, the number of estimated stars was upped by 2/3 to 600 sextillion.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/drake-equation.html

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02-05-2012, 05:21 PM
RE: Do you think there are advanced alien races out there similar to ours?
Do you think there are advanced alien races out there similar to ours?
~I can't imagine they would be very generous or compassionate...
Sooooo if we are lucky, no.

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02-05-2012, 05:28 PM
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(02-05-2012 05:21 PM)Debzilla Wrote:  Do you think there are advanced alien races out there similar to ours?
~I can't imagine they would be very generous or compassionate...
Sooooo if we are lucky, no.
It is my opinion that advanced civilizations cannot exist long enough to develop communication or travel to other celestial bodies if they are violent in nature. I'll refer back to Contact. I think we are much more likely to find Vega like intelligence than Independence Day. But there is always the possibility of artificial life having a less than sunny disposition.

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