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18-06-2012, 07:03 AM
RE: Do you think this is unethical?
Fucking Filox with the selective reading going on... Tongue

Y is being unethical.

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18-06-2012, 07:22 AM
RE: Do you think this is unethical?
Hafnof, your points are good and valid, but they do not apply in this case, because here we have a site that pushes cookies into your computer and that is NOT ethical thing to do. I just installed Ghostery in my Opera and I have protected myself from assholes like that site X. Also, My Firefox has Do-Not-Track from AVG antivirus, so I am protected there as well. I can surf that page X normally, just by protecting myself. There is nothing unethical there.

HoC, no he is not, site X is being unethical, person Y is just protecting his privacy on Internet, something we all should be doing.

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18-06-2012, 07:33 AM
RE: Do you think this is unethical?
WTF Filox? The question wasn't about cookies but rather accessing another's intellectual property. Oh my Gwynnies, you silly geek. Big Grin

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18-06-2012, 09:18 AM
RE: Do you think this is unethical?
No matter how it is set up to pay for the articles, it's requested that they are paid for. Even if one clears the cookies because they're one's personal cookies- go ahead and do that, because sure, you own them-, one should still pay for anything after the 10th article as requested.

Saying you don't have to is like saying you can take a photo, that I've watermarked and copyrighted for no reprints, and you printed it off for your own personal use to hang on your wall without permission, because hey, it showed up on *your* laptop screen.

Whether or not the article company is joining the masses to make money, that is the choice they've made and it's everyone else's choice if they'll support that by either abiding or not support by not participating at all.
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18-06-2012, 09:53 AM
RE: Do you think this is unethical?
(18-06-2012 12:50 AM)cufflink Wrote:  A related question is, what would you do if you were in Y's position? And did you have to think about your decision and weigh various factors, or was it immediately clear to you, i.e. a no-brainer?

To answer the second part of the question: I think a lot of people fall victim to the Ring of Gyges, and I really can't put myself above those people.

If it was in my self-interest to access articles, and that site was the only place available for the specific ones I desired, it wouldn't be a complete no-brainer, but I'd definitely delete the cookies to access the site.

I think the average person is willing to commit immoral acts in promotion of their own self-interests as long as the effect it has on others (e.g. the business not making money for their service) and the consequences/punishment on them isn't immediately/clearly known i.e. it's "out of sight out of mind".

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18-06-2012, 10:38 AM
RE: Do you think this is unethical?
Hmmm... Consider

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18-06-2012, 10:39 AM
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I don't think Y is unethical; I think he's rationalizing and in doing so, he is indirectly supporting a revolution which decries the monetization of the interwebz.

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18-06-2012, 06:11 PM (This post was last modified: 18-06-2012 06:57 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Do you think this is unethical?
(18-06-2012 10:39 AM)kim Wrote:  I don't think Y is unethical; I think he's rationalizing and in doing so, he is indirectly supporting a revolution which decries the monetization of the interwebz.

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No brainer. The New York Times, er I mean X, is the one behaving unethically. Firstly, they get plenty of revenue from selling ad space on their website, the more views they get, the more advertising revenue they receive. They are just trying to further maximize profits by milking the readers whose mere presence already determines their advertising revenue. That's just a dick move. Secondly, they are trying to surreptitiously monitor me in order to pull this dick move. Fuck that, I'd be a fool not to try and circumvent that bullshit. Finally, it's a very bad business plan because savvy readers will be turned off by dick moves and will likely just say "Fuck you New York Times (er, I mean X), you ain't nothing special, I can get the same information elsewhere from non-dicks." thus reducing their advertising revenue.

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18-06-2012, 09:22 PM
RE: Do you think this is unethical?
This is a silly dilemma. Just take Kant's logic into consideration-- "What if everyone did it?"

Yes, it is unethical.

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18-06-2012, 10:50 PM
RE: Do you think this is unethical?
No it's not.

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