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16-11-2015, 05:51 PM
RE: Doc's static Sunday School (plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose)
(16-11-2015 03:57 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(16-11-2015 03:36 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  More trouble with giants. The more I read the Bible, the more giants I see popping up all over the place. And not just in Israel either. 1 Chron 11: 23 says, "(Abshai, the cousin of David) killed an Egyptian, a man of great stature five cubits tall. Now in the Egyptian‘s hand was a spear like a weaver‘s beam, but [Abshai] went up to him with a club and snatched the spear from the Egyptian‘s hand and killed him with his own spear."

Where are all these giants now? In the NBA?

Doc

7'6" is tall, but giant? Consider

Chas, Chas, Chas. Did you not pay attention in Sunday School while being dandled on your teacher's knee as a child? What about Og, king of Bashan? Deut. 3:11 says, "Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim. His bed was made of iron. Isn't it in Rabbah of the Ammonites? It is 13 feet six inches long and six feet wide by a standard measure."

Now unless Og, king of Bashan was an ur-Austin Powers, such a large bed meant that he was at least 9 feet tall. That's a giant in my book.

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16-11-2015, 07:44 PM
RE: Doc's static Sunday School (plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose)
(16-11-2015 05:51 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  
(16-11-2015 03:57 PM)Chas Wrote:  7'6" is tall, but giant? Consider

Chas, Chas, Chas. Did you not pay attention in Sunday School while being dandled on your teacher's knee as a child? What about Og, king of Bashan? Deut. 3:11 says, "Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim. His bed was made of iron. Isn't it in Rabbah of the Ammonites? It is 13 feet six inches long and six feet wide by a standard measure."

Now unless Og, king of Bashan was an ur-Austin Powers, such a large bed meant that he was at least 9 feet tall. That's a giant in my book.

Doc

Yabut, you were talkin' about some NBA wannabe Egyptian. Consider

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17-11-2015, 08:53 PM
RE: Doc's static Sunday School (plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose)
(13-11-2015 02:14 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  
(14-07-2015 09:20 AM)docskeptic Wrote:  Speaking of Goliath, here's something else for your consideration. Goliath was the son of Rapha (2 Samuel 21:22). Rapha was a descendant of the Anakim who in turn were descended from the Nephilim.

Now, the Nephilim were a race of giants, a sort of half-breed created by the union of the "sons of God" and women (Gen. 6:4). This mating occurred before the Flood.

Here's the funny thing. In Numbers 13:33, the spies sent out by Moses to scope out the Promised Land returned saying, "We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

Now, if the Flood destroyed every living thing except the 8 humans and the animals on board on the Ark, how did the Nephilim descendants survive? I doubt that Noah took aboard a pair of Nephilim two by two on board the Arky, Arky.

Doc

OK. Slight complication here. Seems as if the Nephilim were not the only giants that had to be accounted for. There were at least four more species of giants wandering around Canaan at the time of the Hebrews' exodus from Egypt.

Deut, 2: 10-11, "The Emims dwelt therein (Ar in Moab) in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims."

Deut. 2: 20-22, "That (the land of Ammon) also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead: As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead even unto this day: And the Avims which dwelt in Hazerim, even unto Azzah, the Caphtorims, which came forth out of Caphtor, destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead.)

So, at last count, the Hebrews had the Nephilims, Raphaims, Anakims, Emims, Zamzummims, Horims and the Avims to deal with.

How to account for the survival of these giants after the Flood? And did they speciate before the Flood or after?

Doc

Er...Doc, apparently our Denisovian ancestors were pretty fricking huge to have their teeth mistaken for that of cave bears!

“Paleontologists still don’t know exactly what the Denisovans looked like, but they did have teeth so big that at first they were mistaken for cave bear teeth, Kaplan writes."

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news...12/?no-ist

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17-11-2015, 11:35 PM
RE: Doc's static Sunday School (plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose)
(17-11-2015 08:53 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Er...Doc, apparently our Denisovian ancestors were pretty fricking huge to have their teeth mistaken for that of cave bears!

“Paleontologists still don’t know exactly what the Denisovans looked like, but they did have teeth so big that at first they were mistaken for cave bear teeth, Kaplan writes."

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news...12/?no-ist

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18-11-2015, 10:26 AM
RE: Doc's static Sunday School (plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose)
(17-11-2015 08:53 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Er...Doc, apparently our Denisovian ancestors were pretty fricking huge to have their teeth mistaken for that of cave bears!

“Paleontologists still don’t know exactly what the Denisovans looked like, but they did have teeth so big that at first they were mistaken for cave bear teeth, Kaplan writes."

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news...12/?no-ist

Wait. WHAT IF the "bears" that Elisha calls to maul the kids were actually Denisovia? Or even Gasp MANBEARPIG!!!!!!!

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18-11-2015, 01:42 PM
RE: Doc's static Sunday School (plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose)
(16-11-2015 05:35 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(13-11-2015 02:14 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  How to account for the survival of these giants after the Flood? And did they speciate before the Flood or after?

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I don't know if you're not overlooking a simpler explanation, there, doc...

What if the ancient Hebrews were pygmies?

Hmm. Interesting theory. Let's think about it. Here's what the Bible says about Goliath, (1 Sam 17:4-7):

"Then a champion came out from the armies of the Philistines named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span."

Now a cubit is the length of one's forearm from elbow to fingertip and a span is the distance between one's outstretched fingers. Two spans is roughly equal to one cubit. The standard cubit was 18" making Goliath's height 9' 9''.

If however, the author of 1 Samuel was shorter than average, his cubit may have been significantly shorter, say 14 inches, rather than 18. The average ancient Hebrew male's height was somewhere between, 5' 0" and 5' 3", making this a likely scenario. This would then put Goliath's height at 7 1/2 feet; tall but not unheard of.

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18-11-2015, 03:39 PM
RE: Doc's static Sunday School (plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose)
(18-11-2015 01:42 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  
(16-11-2015 05:35 PM)cjlr Wrote:  I don't know if you're not overlooking a simpler explanation, there, doc...

What if the ancient Hebrews were pygmies?

Hmm. Interesting theory. Let's think about it. Here's what the Bible says about Goliath, (1 Sam 17:4-7):

"Then a champion came out from the armies of the Philistines named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span."

Now a cubit is the length of one's forearm from elbow to fingertip and a span is the distance between one's outstretched fingers. Two spans is roughly equal to one cubit. The standard cubit was 18" making Goliath's height 9' 9''.

If however, the author of 1 Samuel was shorter than average, his cubit may have been significantly shorter, say 14 inches, rather than 18. The average ancient Hebrew male's height was somewhere between, 5' 0" and 5' 3", making this a likely scenario. This would then put Goliath's height at 7 1/2 feet; tall but not unheard of.

Doc

So are they suggesting that Goliath stood still while someone used their arm to measure him? Surely, if they had a measuring device, that would be obsolete the moment another person used it. I thought the measure of the cubit was an Egyptian unit of measure and that it always changed with a new Pharaoh. Correct me if I am wrong.

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18-11-2015, 03:45 PM
RE: Doc's static Sunday School (plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose)
(18-11-2015 03:39 PM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  I thought the measure of the cubit was an Egyptian unit of measure and that it always changed with a new Pharaoh. Correct me if I am wrong.

No wonder they offed King Tut. He was a growing lad...

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18-11-2015, 09:16 PM
Doc's static Sunday School (plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose)
Wasn't one of Noah's sons married to a woman who had some sort of giant heritage? I'll have to ask my brother, since he brought it up. It may have just been some apologetic bullshit.
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18-11-2015, 09:29 PM
RE: Doc's static Sunday School (plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose)
(17-11-2015 11:35 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(17-11-2015 08:53 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Er...Doc, apparently our Denisovian ancestors were pretty fricking huge to have their teeth mistaken for that of cave bears!

“Paleontologists still don’t know exactly what the Denisovans looked like, but they did have teeth so big that at first they were mistaken for cave bear teeth, Kaplan writes."

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news...12/?no-ist

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