Doc's mephitic Sunday School (silent but deadly since 2013)
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05-08-2015, 05:47 AM (This post was last modified: 05-08-2015 10:25 AM by docskeptic.)
RE: Doc's apologetic Sunday School (where we're really, really sorry)
(04-08-2015 11:24 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Hey Doc,

A friend on Facebook was going on about sodom and gomorrah, gay marriage is just awful and all that.

So I asked about the end of story....what happened to Lot after....

They didn't know. So, I might have mumbled something about incest, they assured me that wasn't part of the story.

So later they came back and basically said it didn't count as "real incest" because Lot was 'really drunk at the time.'

Isn't that interesting? Your friend seems to have forgotten that Lot's daughters weren't drunk at the time. They were the ones who instigated and executed the plan to commit incest with their father. Your friend seems to impute intentionality only to Lot, with his daughters' intentions counting for nothing. A trifle sexist, it seems to me.

Ask your friend to consider this. The children born of the union between Lot and his daughters were Moab and Ammon, the founders of the nation of Moab and Ammon respectively. Eventually two of Jesus's ancestresses, Ruth and Naamah would be respectively from those nations.

So, no homosexuality - no destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah - no flight of Lot and his family - no incest between Lot and his daughters - no Moab and Ammon - no ancestors of Jesus - no Jesus.

Therefore, God was responsible for the homosexuality and incest if he planned for Jesus to come to earth. The people involved had no say in the matter.

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05-08-2015, 06:15 AM
RE: Doc's apologetic Sunday School (where we're really, really sorry)
Gasp

You're blowing my mind, Doc. Wow.

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05-08-2015, 06:16 AM
RE: Doc's apologetic Sunday School (where we're really, really sorry)
Now I have a question: the OT is very clear that a number of the laws described e.g. in Deuteronomy are to be a law and a covenant *forever*. Which IIRC doesn't mean just a couple of thousand years and then I'll change up the whole deal and where previously you got away with blood sacrifice and a kowtow to the priest to atone for e.g. not killing enough of my enemies, now you'll have to love one another as I have loved you and something about some guy getting fucked over by the Romans. How come God gets to make very public mistakes like this and no one calls him out? I mean Paul even goes so far as to say that the Law (i.e. of Moses, given by loving God) leads only to death???

One thing I've always been fascinated by is the ridiculous economic system proposed in Leviticus 25, that property sold shall be returned by the buyer to the seller every 50 years. It can't have lasted long if at all... is that not clear evidence that God's supposedly infallible legal sense is a crock of shit? Leviticus 25 also proposes that every 7th year shall be a "Sabbath year" where everyone shall not plant crops but God will amazingly bless people the year before so that there's no need. How does such drivel become holy?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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05-08-2015, 06:18 AM
RE: Doc's apologetic Sunday School (where we're really, really sorry)
PS: Why aren't Jews like the natural born killers of the religious world? According to what's in the book shouldn't they be sacrificing every living thing within reach because they did some ridiculous sin? Or are they that good that they managed to avoid sinning?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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05-08-2015, 06:35 AM
RE: Doc's apologetic Sunday School (where we're really, really sorry)
I'm sorry, but I have to ask a question. Can I become an ethicist if I have a lisp ?

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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05-08-2015, 05:59 PM
RE: Doc's oxymoronic Sunday School (teaching the "Holy" Bible since 2013)
(04-08-2015 11:24 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Hey Doc,

A friend on Facebook was going on about sodom and gomorrah, gay marriage is just awful and all that.

So I asked about the end of story....what happened to Lot after....

They didn't know. So, I might have mumbled something about incest, they assured me that wasn't part of the story.

So later they came back and basically said it didn't count as "real incest" because Lot was 'really drunk at the time.'

The daughters weren't drunk, so it counts for them. Facepalm

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05-08-2015, 06:01 PM
RE: Doc's oxymoronic Sunday School (teaching the "Holy" Bible since 2013)
(05-08-2015 06:35 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I'm sorry, but I have to ask a question. Can I become an ethicist if I have a lisp ?

Only ironically. Drinking Beverage

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05-08-2015, 08:40 PM
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(05-08-2015 06:35 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I'm sorry, but I have to ask a question. Can I become an ethicist if I have a lisp ?

No, but you can become an ecithist.
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11-08-2015, 08:47 AM
RE: Doc's paraplegic Sunday School (standing on the promises of God)
(05-08-2015 06:16 AM)morondog Wrote:  One thing I've always been fascinated by is the ridiculous economic system proposed in Leviticus 25, that property sold shall be returned by the buyer to the seller every 50 years. It can't have lasted long if at all... is that not clear evidence that God's supposedly infallible legal sense is a crock of shit? Leviticus 25 also proposes that every 7th year shall be a "Sabbath year" where everyone shall not plant crops but God will amazingly bless people the year before so that there's no need. How does such drivel become holy?

MD,
Sorry for the delay. Been busy at work. I wrote this elsewhere in another context, but I think it's worthwhile posting here:

Leviticus 25 is entirely given over to the description of the Year of Jubilee. In it, the Lord (through Moses) describes how to calculate the Year of the Jubilee. What follows is an extended account of the agronomic, economic, real estate, and labor laws that are to be observed that year. In essence, every fifty years, all debts are to be cancelled, all sold land to be redeemed, all arable land to lay fallow, and all Israelite bond servants or slaves to be freed (alas, this last provision did not extend to non-Israelites).

Given the massive disruption in farming and business that would follow a strict adherence to the law, we are not surprised to learn that there is no evidence that this law was ever followed on a nationwide basis. Why would Moses indulge in an entire chapter of 54 verses and 1,359 words to describe a law that has never been put into practice? Could not those verses have been spared to describe laws or practices that might actually benefit the human race, instead of promoting impracticable laws that have an exactly zero chance of being put into practice now or ever?

This portion of the Bible was clearly written by a non-economist who could have had no idea of the havoc such a law would wreak among farming practices, business transactions, real estate deals, inheritance laws and (eventually) banking practices. In other words, this portion was written by a loon.

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11-08-2015, 06:17 PM
RE: Doc's paraplegic Sunday School (standing on the promises of God)
(11-08-2015 08:47 AM)docskeptic Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 06:16 AM)morondog Wrote:  One thing I've always been fascinated by is the ridiculous economic system proposed in Leviticus 25, that property sold shall be returned by the buyer to the seller every 50 years. It can't have lasted long if at all... is that not clear evidence that God's supposedly infallible legal sense is a crock of shit? Leviticus 25 also proposes that every 7th year shall be a "Sabbath year" where everyone shall not plant crops but God will amazingly bless people the year before so that there's no need. How does such drivel become holy?

MD,
Sorry for the delay. Been busy at work. I wrote this elsewhere in another context, but I think it's worthwhile posting here:

Leviticus 25 is entirely given over to the description of the Year of Jubilee. In it, the Lord (through Moses) describes how to calculate the Year of the Jubilee. What follows is an extended account of the agronomic, economic, real estate, and labor laws that are to be observed that year. In essence, every fifty years, all debts are to be cancelled, all sold land to be redeemed, all arable land to lay fallow, and all Israelite bond servants or slaves to be freed (alas, this last provision did not extend to non-Israelites).

Given the massive disruption in farming and business that would follow a strict adherence to the law, we are not surprised to learn that there is no evidence that this law was ever followed on a nationwide basis. Why would Moses indulge in an entire chapter of 54 verses and 1,359 words to describe a law that has never been put into practice? Could not those verses have been spared to describe laws or practices that might actually benefit the human race, instead of promoting impracticable laws that have an exactly zero chance of being put into practice now or ever?

This portion of the Bible was clearly written by a non-economist who could have had no idea of the havoc such a law would wreak among farming practices, business transactions, real estate deals, inheritance laws and (eventually) banking practices. In other words, this portion was written by a loon.

Doc

I would imagine that year 49 would see record debt levels and everyone will try to sell their land

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