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27-11-2013, 09:35 AM
RE: DOC'S STEATOPYGIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK SINCE 2013)
Evolutionkills: Hey, Doc. Remember all that talk about Jesus's genome? May I ask you a question?

Doc: Certainly. Certainly.

Evolutionkills: If Jesus was fully human, he must have had a fully human genome, correct? In that case, consider for a moment the L-gulano-γ-lactone oxidase gene, which is necessary for the synthesis of Vitamin C. In humans this particular gene is a pseudogene, meaning that though present, it is inactive. This is why humans are prone to scurvy when they partake of a diet deficient in Vitamin C. In the great apes and in humans, the lack of a functional gene is of no great clinical significance, since our natural diet is rich in fruit and vegetables, an excellent source of vitamin C. The human pseudogene is most similar to the chimpanzee pseudogene, indicating our recent common ancestry with that particular species.

Doc: Swish and flick.

Evolutionkills: What? Anyway, since Jesus was a human, he had to have had this particular pseudogene, meaning that not only was he was prone to scurvy but that he also shared a recent (evolutionarily speaking) common ancestor with the great apes. If he did not have this particular pseudogene, then the question is - why was it not present? Was it excised from his genome? Or perhaps he had a fully functional gene that was capable of synthesizing Vitamin C. Any of these latter scenarios would rule out Jesus as fully human and incapable of serving as our advocate before God.

Doc: Imperio!

Evolutionkills: What are you doing, you idiot? Put that stick away before you put your eye out with it.
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27-11-2013, 11:49 PM
RE: DOC'S STEATOPYGIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK SINCE 2013)
Whoa! Hang on! Has the ban on spell casting in class been lifted again? And Doc is wielding again?

*hides behind his book*

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28-11-2013, 12:30 AM
RE: DOC'S STEATOPYGIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK SINCE 2013)
When do we get to learn how to talk to snakes in this class ?
Or is that in advanced wizarding Jebus School ?

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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28-11-2013, 12:58 AM
RE: DOC'S STEATOPYGIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK SINCE 2013)
(27-11-2013 09:35 AM)docskeptic Wrote:  Evolutionkills: Hey, Doc. Remember all that talk about Jesus's genome? May I ask you a question?

Doc: Certainly. Certainly.

Evolutionkills: If Jesus was fully human, he must have had a fully human genome, correct? In that case, consider for a moment the L-gulano-γ-lactone oxidase gene, which is necessary for the synthesis of Vitamin C. In humans this particular gene is a pseudogene, meaning that though present, it is inactive. This is why humans are prone to scurvy when they partake of a diet deficient in Vitamin C. In the great apes and in humans, the lack of a functional gene is of no great clinical significance, since our natural diet is rich in fruit and vegetables, an excellent source of vitamin C. The human pseudogene is most similar to the chimpanzee pseudogene, indicating our recent common ancestry with that particular species.

Doc: Swish and flick.

Evolutionkills: What? Anyway, since Jesus was a human, he had to have had this particular pseudogene, meaning that not only was he was prone to scurvy but that he also shared a recent (evolutionarily speaking) common ancestor with the great apes. If he did not have this particular pseudogene, then the question is - why was it not present? Was it excised from his genome? Or perhaps he had a fully functional gene that was capable of synthesizing Vitamin C. Any of these latter scenarios would rule out Jesus as fully human and incapable of serving as our advocate before God.

Doc: Imperio!

Evolutionkills: What are you doing, you idiot? Put that stick away before you put your eye out with it.

This left me wondering if maybe the reason Jesus never had any documented children is because he wasn't able. Maybe he looked human, but his DNA was so drastically altered (cleaned up?) as to essentially make him sterile and not quite human.

Whatever... Brain droppings are just brain droppings. Drinking Beverage

Also, that was a pretty good impersonation of me. If my point had been to ask those questions or convey those points, I would have written it very similarly.

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28-11-2013, 09:52 AM
RE: DOC'S STEATOPYGIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK SINCE 2013)
Thanks, Doc, I learned what steatopygic means today.
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28-11-2013, 03:55 PM
RE: DOC'S STEATOPYGIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK SINCE 2013)
Continuing our discussion: Did Jesus have proto-oncogenes? Proto-oncogenes are genes that can turn into oncogenes, which are genes that have the potential to cause cancer. Jesus would have to have had some well-known proto-oncogenes, such as RAS and WNT, which have important functions in the normal human. A very small change in these genes can change them into oncogenes, which can then go on to promote cancer.

A protective gene that guards against the formation of cancer is called a tumor- suppressor gene. The product of this gene promotes apoptosis (programmed cell death) or has a negative effect on the cell cycle, thereby inhibiting cell division, a necessary step in cancer formation. A mutation in this gene can cause loss of function, allowing cells to stay alive and thereby increasing the risk for cancer formation and propagation.

An example would be a mutation in the TP53 gene (which encodes for the P53 protein), which is very common in colon and breast cancer. Since this gene is normally present in all humans, it must also have been present in Jesus, placing him at risk for any one of a number of cancers caused by the mutation of the gene, an odd position indeed for a deity.

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28-11-2013, 09:38 PM
RE: DOC'S STEATOPYGIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK SINCE 2013)
But he was supposed to go through all the trials of man, right? So wouldn't being at risk for cancer be a part of that?
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28-11-2013, 10:48 PM (This post was last modified: 28-11-2013 11:32 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: DOC'S STEATOPYGIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK SINCE 2013)
(28-11-2013 09:38 PM)Colourcraze Wrote:  But he was supposed to go through all the trials of man, right? So wouldn't being at risk for cancer be a part of that?


Somehow Jesus going into chemotherapy for our sins doesn't have the same je ne sais quoi as the whole death, burial, resurrection bit. Drinking Beverage

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28-11-2013, 10:55 PM
RE: DOC'S STEATOPYGIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK SINCE 2013)
(28-11-2013 10:48 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(28-11-2013 09:38 PM)Colourcraze Wrote:  But he was supposed to go through all the trials of man, right? So wouldn't being at risk for cancer be a part of that?


Somehow Jesus going into chemotherapy for our sins doesn't have the same je ne sais quoi as the whole death, burial, resurrection bit. Drinking Beverage

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29-11-2013, 07:03 AM (This post was last modified: 29-11-2013 07:36 AM by docskeptic.)
RE: DOC'S STEATOPYGIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK SINCE 2013)
(28-11-2013 09:38 PM)Colourcraze Wrote:  But he was supposed to go through all the trials of man, right? So wouldn't being at risk for cancer be a part of that?

Doc: What are you talking about?

Colourcraze: Well, human DNA is prone to damage by various mechanisms. Among these are DNA replication errors and damage caused to DNA by oxidative stress. Other causes of DNA damage include external agents like ultra- violet radiation and X-rays, natural and synthetic chemicals, and viruses. DNA is very good at detecting these errors and damages and has a host of chemical machinery to help repair the damage.

Doc: Groucho?

Colourcraze: Hmmm? Well, among these are DNA glycosylases, which are enzymes involved in DNA repair by the mechanism of base excision repair. The damaged bases in DNA are excised, and the “gap” is filled in with the right base by means of a DNA polymerase enzyme. The break is then finally sealed by a DNA ligase enzyme.

Doc: Chico?

Colourcraze: What? Anyway, my point is did Jesus have DNA repair enzymes in his genetic tool kit? If he didn’t, then he was not fully human, as his genetic makeup would be different from ours. If he did have them, what purpose did they serve? What does it mean to have damaged divine DNA? Would Jesus have been prone to cell damage like early senescence or cancer?

Doc: Hah! Harpo!

Colourcraze, disgusted: I think you mean... Crucio!

Doc: Aaarrgghh!
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