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12-02-2014, 12:23 PM
RE: DOC'S MISANTHROPIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (LOVING OUR FELLOW MAN)
(12-02-2014 12:14 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 09:16 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  H
A more intresting question is why are camels being used in the second millennium BC as per the OT before camels became domesticated?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/11/scienc....html?_r=0

What? What? Camels were not domesticated till the 2nd millenium BCE? Why, then, did God command the Israelites to avoid eating camels? In Leviticus 11:4, God says, "The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you."

How do you avoid eating something that isn't there?

And what does God have against camel toes?

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I'm pretty sure they had camels, just not domesticated camels.

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12-02-2014, 12:45 PM
RE: DOC'S MISANTHROPIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (LOVING OUR FELLOW MAN)
(12-02-2014 12:23 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 12:14 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  What? What? Camels were not domesticated till the 2nd millenium BCE? Why, then, did God command the Israelites to avoid eating camels? In Leviticus 11:4, God says, "The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you."

How do you avoid eating something that isn't there?

And what does God have against camel toes?

Doc

I'm pretty sure they had camels, just not domesticated camels.

No Camels are not native to that area. It is a clear case of post-diction and another point where the supposedly all knowing god is ignorant of the truth.

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12-02-2014, 12:46 PM
RE: DOC'S MISANTHROPIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (LOVING OUR FELLOW MAN)
(12-02-2014 12:14 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  And what does God have against camel toes?

Doc

Laugh out load

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12-02-2014, 01:32 PM
RE: DOC'S MISANTHROPIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (LOVING OUR FELLOW MAN)
(12-02-2014 12:45 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 12:23 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  I'm pretty sure they had camels, just not domesticated camels.

No Camels are not native to that area. It is a clear case of post-diction and another point where the supposedly all knowing god is ignorant of the truth.

Nope nope nope. You don't know what you're talking about LALALALALA Tease

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12-02-2014, 03:27 PM
RE: DOC'S MISANTHROPIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (LOVING OUR FELLOW MAN)
(12-02-2014 09:41 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Just amazing how the NYT can present as "news" something archaeologists have known for a long time.



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12-02-2014, 03:40 PM
RE: DOC'S MISANTHROPIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (LOVING OUR FELLOW MAN)
(12-02-2014 12:45 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 12:23 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  I'm pretty sure they had camels, just not domesticated camels.

No Camels are not native to that area. It is a clear case of post-diction and another point where the supposedly all knowing god is ignorant of the truth.

This god character...more and more he sounds like he was just made up by some ignorant goat herders.

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12-02-2014, 04:05 PM
RE: DOC'S MISANTHROPIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (LOVING OUR FELLOW MAN)
(12-02-2014 03:40 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 12:45 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  No Camels are not native to that area. It is a clear case of post-diction and another point where the supposedly all knowing god is ignorant of the truth.

This god character...more and more he sounds like he was just made up by some ignorant goat herders.

Inorite. Everything ever mentioned in the bible was something within a 5 mile radius of the person writing the book it seems.

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12-02-2014, 04:14 PM
RE: DOC'S MISANTHROPIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (LOVING OUR FELLOW MAN)
(12-02-2014 04:05 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 03:40 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  This god character...more and more he sounds like he was just made up by some ignorant goat herders.

Inorite. Everything ever mentioned in the bible was something within a 5 mile radius of the person writing the book it seems.

Not so much that, but that it is very obviously subject to the same bias present in just about every unsophisticated historical text. The authors did not realize that things changed over time.

So the imagined mythic past looked exactly like the present day - the same peoples, the same animals, the same cities, the same climate.

Nowadays we know how hilariously wrong that is. But even educated people back in the BC times had some idea that things used to be different. But things like history and geography were the purview of cultures with things like writing and maths (eg Persia, Egypt, Greece), and not some bumblefuck nobodies in the ass end of Syria.

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12-02-2014, 04:22 PM
RE: DOC'S MISANTHROPIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (LOVING OUR FELLOW MAN)
(12-02-2014 04:14 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 04:05 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Inorite. Everything ever mentioned in the bible was something within a 5 mile radius of the person writing the book it seems.

Not so much that, but that it is very obviously subject to the same bias present in just about every unsophisticated historical text. The authors did not realize that things changed over time.

So the imagined mythic past looked exactly like the present day - the same peoples, the same animals, the same cities, the same climate.

Nowadays we know how hilariously wrong that is. But even educated people back in the BC times had some idea that things used to be different. But things like history and geography were the purview of cultures with things like writing and maths (eg Persia, Egypt, Greece), and not some bumblefuck nobodies in the ass end of Syria.

It's a shame the Israelites were on the main trade path from Mesopotamia to Egypt if they had been say 500 or 600 miles to the south we may never have heard of any of their insanities.

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12-02-2014, 04:29 PM
RE: DOC'S MISANTHROPIC SUNDAY SCHOOL (LOVING OUR FELLOW MAN)
(12-02-2014 04:22 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 04:14 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Not so much that, but that it is very obviously subject to the same bias present in just about every unsophisticated historical text. The authors did not realize that things changed over time.

So the imagined mythic past looked exactly like the present day - the same peoples, the same animals, the same cities, the same climate.

Nowadays we know how hilariously wrong that is. But even educated people back in the BC times had some idea that things used to be different. But things like history and geography were the purview of cultures with things like writing and maths (eg Persia, Egypt, Greece), and not some bumblefuck nobodies in the ass end of Syria.

It's a shame the Israelites were on the main trade path from Mesopotamia to Egypt if they had been say 500 or 600 miles to the south we may never have heard of any of their insanities.

It's not like their trade role was more prominent than, say, Tsor or Petra. Rather less if anything.

More just plain old dumb bad luck Divine Will we inherited that particular cultural hangover.

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