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21-09-2012, 01:54 PM
RE: Does America Still Fear Communism?
This thread has devolved into arguing futility for its own sake. Bleh.....

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21-09-2012, 07:36 PM
RE: Does America Still Fear Communism?
Hey Dark Light, still waiting on that explanation as to why income tax is immoral.

Take your time, I got all day.

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22-09-2012, 02:04 AM
RE: Does America Still Fear Communism?
(21-09-2012 09:27 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  They hardly cousin it more then what cousins are already in place.
Lost your job? Go on the unemployment benefit.
If there's a recession, people are gonna feel it. The idea of socialist reforms is to provide basics, such as healthcare and unemployment, it's not suppose to be a nice lovely cloud to float on.

And yet simple things like medicare and welfare are not guaratneed to the extreme lower class. I would hardly call it a safety net. Perhaps it is a condom with holes in it.

(21-09-2012 09:27 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Take for example unemployment. You can't have a decent unemployment benefit, it needs to be an amount that just pays the bills. If you start giving people spending money then the incentive to go back to work is reduced. This is why i think unemployment should be the government simply taking on your basic bills (mortgage, power etc..), then food stamps (for food only, no smokes/alcohol).

When did I say that spending money was alright?

(21-09-2012 09:27 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  It's all a balancing act.

And nobody in the U.S' mainstream political right has bothered participating yet.

(21-09-2012 09:27 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  But my point is that you can't stop a recession in the sense that everyone's quality of life will remain throughout it. It's simply unsustainable.

I never said you could completely stop a recession. Safeguards, however, can reduce the damage done.

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22-09-2012, 04:48 AM
RE: Does America Still Fear Communism?
Quote:And yet simple things like medicare and welfare are not guaratneed to the extreme lower class. I would hardly call it a safety net. Perhaps it is a condom with holes in it.

Well then that is government failure, not capitalism.

And by extreme lower class do you mean people who sit around all day on the benefit doing drugs?

Quote:And nobody in the U.S' mainstream political right has bothered participating yet.

I never said they did.

Quote:I never said you could completely stop a recession. Safeguards, however, can reduce the damage done.

That's what I'm saying though, we have that already, it's called "unemployment benefit".
Add health and education and you're set.

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22-09-2012, 01:36 PM
RE: Does America Still Fear Communism?
(22-09-2012 04:48 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Well then that is government failure, not capitalism.

And by extreme lower class do you mean people who sit around all day on the benefit doing drugs?

Corporations control the government.

No, I mean the 47%. Part of the problem for the U.S is the mentality towards people on welfare.

(22-09-2012 04:48 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  I never said they did.

Making it clear.

(22-09-2012 04:48 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  That's what I'm saying though, we have that already, it's called "unemployment benefit".
Add health and education and you're set.

Said benefit is not guaranteed, and that is the problem.
Both healthcare and education are still being debated.

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22-09-2012, 07:20 PM
RE: Does America Still Fear Communism?
Quote:Does America Still Fear Communism?

Consider

Well, I don't know about "communism", but Barack Obama is a Marxist and we elected him. At the very least, I'd have to say that roughly half of the country isn't afraid of Marxism.

As far as the other half of the country goes:.......

Yeah, by their actions, I'd have to say they are pretty terrified. Obviously, not all of the negativity toward Obama is due to his left-wing ideology--and fear, along with hatred, are just used as tools against him--but some people are utterly convinced that we will be in a socialist, atheist, totalitarian regime if Obama is re-elected.

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22-09-2012, 07:53 PM
RE: Does America Still Fear Communism?
(22-09-2012 07:20 PM)TrulyX Wrote:  
Quote:Does America Still Fear Communism?

Consider

Well, I don't know about "communism", but Barack Obama is a Marxist and we elected him. At the very least, I'd have to say that roughly half of the country isn't afraid of Marxism.

As far as the other half of the country goes:.......

Yeah, by their actions, I'd have to say they are pretty terrified. Obviously, not all of the negativity toward Obama is due to his left-wing ideology--and fear, along with hatred, are just used as tools against him--but some people are utterly convinced that we will be in a socialist, atheist, totalitarian regime if Obama is re-elected.

Umm I'd have to say do you understand checks and balances?

Or did you just smoke a lot of pot and just finished watching a youtube conspiracy theory vid?

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22-09-2012, 08:47 PM
RE: Does America Still Fear Communism?
(22-09-2012 07:20 PM)TrulyX Wrote:  
Quote:Does America Still Fear Communism?

Consider

Well, I don't know about "communism", but Barack Obama is a Marxist and we elected him. At the very least, I'd have to say that roughly half of the country isn't afraid of Marxism.

As far as the other half of the country goes:.......

Yeah, by their actions, I'd have to say they are pretty terrified. Obviously, not all of the negativity toward Obama is due to his left-wing ideology--and fear, along with hatred, are just used as tools against him--but some people are utterly convinced that we will be in a socialist, atheist, totalitarian regime if Obama is re-elected.

Obama a Marxist? Really?

The negativity toward Obama is at least partly fueled by racism. His ideology is progressive, which only looks Marxist to the very conservative.

Those who fear a "socialist, atheist, totalitarian regime" are paranoid.

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23-09-2012, 01:34 AM
RE: Does America Still Fear Communism?
(22-09-2012 08:47 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-09-2012 07:20 PM)TrulyX Wrote:  Consider

Well, I don't know about "communism", but Barack Obama is a Marxist and we elected him. At the very least, I'd have to say that roughly half of the country isn't afraid of Marxism.

As far as the other half of the country goes:.......

Yeah, by their actions, I'd have to say they are pretty terrified. Obviously, not all of the negativity toward Obama is due to his left-wing ideology--and fear, along with hatred, are just used as tools against him--but some people are utterly convinced that we will be in a socialist, atheist, totalitarian regime if Obama is re-elected.

Obama a Marxist? Really?

The negativity toward Obama is at least partly fueled by racism. His ideology is progressive, which only looks Marxist to the very conservative.

Those who fear a "socialist, atheist, totalitarian regime" are paranoid.

1.) Depends on what you call progress. To me, it is the same ole' song and dance. Nothing progressive about it at all. It is all about Statist getting more power. 2.) The racism card? I think it there is far more blacks voting for Obama because he is black than their are whites voting for Romney/Other because Obama is black. 3.) I don't know how well Marxism fits, big state government overstepping it's bounds has many names, and I don't really care where you draw the lines; it is all tyranny and oppression. Crooked men who want to retain power and seek to increase power make-up the vast majority of any government. Republican, or Democrat, it doesn't much matter; they are all cooperate whores.

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23-09-2012, 03:47 AM
RE: Does America Still Fear Communism?
(21-09-2012 07:36 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Hey Dark Light, still waiting on that explanation as to why income tax is immoral.

Take your time, I got all day.
Me too! Income tax might be banned by the laws against torture, but other than that I don't see how it's immoral. We are using their money and they, whoever they might be, want a license fee for that. I'd rather get rid of monetary system altogether and be done with it.
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