Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?
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19-06-2013, 11:04 PM
RE: Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?
(19-06-2013 06:11 PM)theword Wrote:  Noah's Arc is such a lie. How stupid! Who can believe that the earth was once covered by water. Fools!!

I undoubtedly agree with you.









Of course, more problems other than just water filling the planet.

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20-06-2013, 02:47 PM
RE: Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?
(19-06-2013 06:11 PM)theword Wrote:  Noah's Arc is such a lie. How stupid! Who can believe that the earth was once covered by water. Fools!!

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20-06-2013, 04:40 PM
RE: Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?
(19-06-2013 09:36 PM)Diogenes of Mayberry Wrote:  The video of my first talk on my book, Manifest Insanity, is finally available.

I talk about Noah's Ark and the Epic of Gilgamesh near the beginning.

I enjoyed the video. I know too much about it all, so I kept saying " but, but ...."
There are some excellent points.
1. Camels were not in wide-spread use in camel caravans until the period stated, mid-millennium. It's important in the dating of some of the (possible) "journeys", (such as a supposed sojourn by Joseph in Egypt), or Abraham (from Ur). (They were mythical). (It also very important in debunking certain Islamic claims, but I'll leave that for another time). Christian fundies often counter this with an inscription or piece of art from further back, (in the prior millennium, showing a camel, but it's always in a palace context. The fact is, these are all in ROYAL use, for high ranking people. Not for trade, and common use.) There is a lot more archaeology about camel finds which is available, showing that baby camels were not found with adult camel remains, thus they know they were not in general domesticated use, prior to the dates Diogenes suggests. Archaeology agrees with him.
2. Much of Proverbs was taken from Sumerian sources, but also Egyptian sources, (ie the Ten Commandments came from Egypt :
http://edward.de.leau.net/the-10-command...70513.html )
but the sycretistic use of other culture's literature is not unusual, and does not really say anything about their real value. For example, Martin Buber explained how the Hebrews changed the Choas myth in their Garden Myth, (see "Good and Evil" part II), and added their own insights. It certainly doesn't make them "of divine origin", but credit is due, where credit is due. (And there was no legal concept of "plagiarism" at the time, so that is not a valid argument). Origins are interesting, and important, however. So yeah. I'll prolly get the book.

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20-06-2013, 07:37 PM
RE: Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?
Very genius replies, but the fact remains that you can find sea shells on many mountain tops across the nation.
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20-06-2013, 07:45 PM (This post was last modified: 20-06-2013 07:50 PM by houseofcantor.)
RE: Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?
(20-06-2013 07:37 PM)theword Wrote:  Very genius replies, but the fact remains that you can find sea shells on many mountain tops across the nation.

Quote:Dr. Cutler's presentation will tell the story of Nicolaus Steno, the 17th-century Danish anatomist who was fascinated by fossils, and whose investigations led to the birth of the science of geology. Steno realized that the fossil-bearing rock strata had originally been layers of sediment, which had later hardened and uplifted to form mountains.

~from http://insidemc.montgomerycollege.edu/de...p?id=25678

Quote:A flood cannot explain the presence of marine shells on mountains for the following reasons:
Floods erode mountains and deposit their sediments in valleys.
In many cases, the fossils are in the same positions as they grow in life, not scattered as if they were redeposited by a flood. This was noted as early as the sixteenth century by Leonardo da Vinci (Gould 1998).
Other evidence, such as fossilized tracks and burrows of marine organisms, show that the region was once under the sea. Seashells are not found in sediments that were not formerly covered by sea.

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20-06-2013, 07:46 PM (This post was last modified: 20-06-2013 07:50 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?
(20-06-2013 07:37 PM)theword Wrote:  Very genius replies, but the fact remains that you can find sea shells on many mountain tops across the nation.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orogeny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

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20-06-2013, 09:45 PM
RE: Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?
(20-06-2013 07:45 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
Quote:Dr. Cutler's presentation will tell the story of Nicolaus Steno, the 17th-century Danish anatomist who was fascinated by fossils, and whose investigations led to the birth of the science of geology. Steno realized that the fossil-bearing rock strata had originally been layers of sediment, which had later hardened and uplifted to form mountains.
~from http://insidemc.montgomerycollege.edu/de...p?id=25678
Quote:A flood cannot explain the presence of marine shells on mountains for the following reasons:
Floods erode mountains and deposit their sediments in valleys.
In many cases, the fossils are in the same positions as they grow in life, not scattered as if they were redeposited by a flood. This was noted as early as the sixteenth century by Leonardo da Vinci (Gould 1998).
Other evidence, such as fossilized tracks and burrows of marine organisms, show that the region was once under the sea. Seashells are not found in sediments that were not formerly covered by sea.
~from http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC364.html
Thanks so much for your reply. I just love it when you astute atheists confirm what I just posted.
I posted that seashells could be found on mountain tops...
Opening up your links claims:

"Shells on mountains are easily explained by uplift of the land."
" For centuries, human beings puzzled over the anomaly of fossil seashells found high in mountains and far from the sea."

Wow! That's just what I said... Now, for those of you who are a little slow (all atheists)..... This just in,,,, there are shells on mountain tops....
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20-06-2013, 09:48 PM
RE: Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?
(20-06-2013 07:46 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(20-06-2013 07:37 PM)theword Wrote:  Very genius replies, but the fact remains that you can find sea shells on many mountain tops across the nation.

Weeping

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orogeny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth
Bucky, you seem to be a very intelligent atheist. Are there sea shells on mountain tops? Yes or no?
I will give you a little time to research this. Thanks Bucky Boy!
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20-06-2013, 09:50 PM (This post was last modified: 20-06-2013 10:13 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?
(20-06-2013 09:45 PM)theword Wrote:  
(20-06-2013 07:45 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  ~from http://insidemc.montgomerycollege.edu/de...p?id=25678
~from http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC364.html
Thanks so much for your reply. I just love it when you astute atheists confirm what I just posted.
I posted that seashells could be found on mountain tops...
Opening up your links claims:

"Shells on mountains are easily explained by uplift of the land."
" For centuries, human beings puzzled over the anomaly of fossil seashells found high in mountains and far from the sea."

Wow! That's just what I said... Now, for those of you who are a little slow (all atheists)..... This just in,,,, there are shells on mountain tops....

Because, you idiot, they used to be at the bottom of the ocean, and they were "uplifted" by tectonic shifts and orogeny. Not because of any flood.
Jesus H. Christ these people are stupid. How do they think mountains are formed in the first place, and why are they STILL rising ?
Some people's stupidity is incompatible with life.

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20-06-2013, 10:02 PM
RE: Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?
(20-06-2013 07:37 PM)theword Wrote:  Very genius replies, but the fact remains that you can find sea shells on many mountain tops across the nation.

So I take it, you have no idea how mountains form ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_formation

It physically hurts my brain that this confuses you.

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