Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
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29-05-2013, 10:09 AM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
By God, are you referring to the omnipotent/omniscient one? If so, the only responsibilities it has are the ones it self imposes. There is nothing that can wield obligatory power over an omnipotent entity other than itself (and then it's questionable whether it can be omnipotent at that point). If God decides it has a moral responsibility, it does, if it decides that it doesn't, it doesn't.

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29-05-2013, 10:18 AM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
Does Santa Claus have a moral responsibility to the children of the world?

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29-05-2013, 10:23 AM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 10:18 AM)Chas Wrote:  Does Santa Claus have a moral responsibility to the children of the world?

As long as Sherlock Holmes has a moral responsibility to catch criminals.

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29-05-2013, 10:31 AM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 10:23 AM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(29-05-2013 10:18 AM)Chas Wrote:  Does Santa Claus have a moral responsibility to the children of the world?

As long as Sherlock Holmes has a moral responsibility to catch criminals.

Does Dr. Watson have a moral responsibility to Holmes?

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29-05-2013, 10:35 AM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
I think eventually religion will just fade into the background. Like all the gods and religions before that.


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29-05-2013, 10:38 AM (This post was last modified: 29-05-2013 10:53 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 09:43 AM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(29-05-2013 08:14 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I tested all the god(s) testosterone/estrogen levels.
They are all female.
Some are crossed dressed, and like to be called "he".
In fact they are all "shes".
Weeping

I do not agree. The old God's were thought to be androgynous.

In our perception, women will see God as a Goddess and men will see God as a man.

Where are the Gods and Goddess' of this world if not within all of us?

The kingdom of God is within you.

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Name two "androgynous" gods.

Unfortunately you're mistaken. The "mother goddess" was worshiped by most cultures, (including most Catholics, and most Catholic MEN), and has nothing to do with the sex of the "imaginer".

If the "kingdom of god is within us", then why are you not asking yourself this question ? If what you say is true, you already have your answer, now, don't you ? What's the problem ? She's not talking to you today ?

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29-05-2013, 10:51 AM
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(29-05-2013 08:07 AM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

Human parents have a moral responsibility to protect and try to raise their children to be what we think of as good citizens. Our laws, to some extent, make parents morally and legally responsible for the actions of their children.

God, our heavenly parent, is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed. They cannot be changed, which I think is why God is said to hate some of us even in the womb; even before we can either do good or evil. IOW, he intentionally creates those he knows will be evil. I know some will blame man’s sins on his free will and thus shift the burden of responsibility for our sins away from God but that urge to sin is controlled by the nature and inclinations that God himself puts in us. We do have free will but that does not explain why our will, will go to evil instead of good. That desire is part of the nature that God puts in us as the story of Esau shows. In a way, Esau had no choice.

If God were just one of many Gods in a God society, would that society demand that he take responsibility in the same way human society has decided that a human child’s parent must take responsibilities?

Yes we would.

The fact that God punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks that he has some moral responsibility; otherwise he could not morally retain the right to punish or reward. At present we have no clear picture of what heaven and hell are like. God does not provide full disclosure even though our soul is at stake. That is not justice.

Should God’s responsibility include full disclose of what our true reward and punishment is?

God did not seem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishment before the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoral of God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission.

Does God have a responsibility for the souls he creates?

And since he could insure that all come to a good end in heaven, is making sure we get there also part of his responsibility since he creates the natures we cannot help but follow?

Any good human parent with God-like powers would insure the best end for his child if he had the power of a God. I know you and I would as part of our inclination to love and protect our children.

If God does not, does that make man more responsible than God in terms of accepting responsibility for our children?

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God doesn't exist. But since you're looking for a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical god, my reply is that the god you speak of creates morality. Therefore, if he says no, then no. If yes, then yes. Contradictions and hypocrisy are irrelevant in that imaginary world where those who believe are content with "do as I say, but not as I do and 'because I said so'".

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29-05-2013, 12:36 PM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 09:54 AM)Anjele Wrote:  Exactly what do the religious win?

For evil to grow all good people need do is nothing.

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29-05-2013, 12:38 PM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 10:09 AM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  By God, are you referring to the omnipotent/omniscient one? If so, the only responsibilities it has are the ones it self imposes. There is nothing that can wield obligatory power over an omnipotent entity other than itself (and then it's questionable whether it can be omnipotent at that point). If God decides it has a moral responsibility, it does, if it decides that it doesn't, it doesn't.

True I guess but if he does, scriptures only show him doing the negative to us and not the positive. Quite the father figure that.

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29-05-2013, 12:39 PM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 10:18 AM)Chas Wrote:  Does Santa Claus have a moral responsibility to the children of the world?

Absolutely. To those who believe him real.

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