Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
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29-05-2013, 12:40 PM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 12:36 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(29-05-2013 09:54 AM)Anjele Wrote:  Exactly what do the religious win?

For evil to grow all good people need do is nothing.

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Well, thanks for the non-answer.

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29-05-2013, 12:41 PM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 10:35 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  I think eventually religion will just fade into the background. Like all the gods and religions before that.

Only if those who are brighter than believers push back.

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29-05-2013, 01:00 PM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 10:38 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(29-05-2013 09:43 AM)Greatest I am Wrote:  I do not agree. The old God's were thought to be androgynous.

In our perception, women will see God as a Goddess and men will see God as a man.

Where are the Gods and Goddess' of this world if not within all of us?

The kingdom of God is within you.

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Name two "androgynous" gods.

Unfortunately you're mistaken. The "mother goddess" was worshiped by most cultures, (including most Catholics, and most Catholic MEN), and has nothing to do with the sex of the "imaginer".

If the "kingdom of god is within us", then why are you not asking yourself this question ? If what you say is true, you already have your answer, now, don't you ? What's the problem ? She's not talking to you today ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TndLzFZI9A

Check this link at about the 10 min. mark.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:26-28
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

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29-05-2013, 01:02 PM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 10:51 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(29-05-2013 08:07 AM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

Human parents have a moral responsibility to protect and try to raise their children to be what we think of as good citizens. Our laws, to some extent, make parents morally and legally responsible for the actions of their children.

God, our heavenly parent, is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed. They cannot be changed, which I think is why God is said to hate some of us even in the womb; even before we can either do good or evil. IOW, he intentionally creates those he knows will be evil. I know some will blame man’s sins on his free will and thus shift the burden of responsibility for our sins away from God but that urge to sin is controlled by the nature and inclinations that God himself puts in us. We do have free will but that does not explain why our will, will go to evil instead of good. That desire is part of the nature that God puts in us as the story of Esau shows. In a way, Esau had no choice.

If God were just one of many Gods in a God society, would that society demand that he take responsibility in the same way human society has decided that a human child’s parent must take responsibilities?

Yes we would.

The fact that God punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks that he has some moral responsibility; otherwise he could not morally retain the right to punish or reward. At present we have no clear picture of what heaven and hell are like. God does not provide full disclosure even though our soul is at stake. That is not justice.

Should God’s responsibility include full disclose of what our true reward and punishment is?

God did not seem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishment before the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoral of God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission.

Does God have a responsibility for the souls he creates?

And since he could insure that all come to a good end in heaven, is making sure we get there also part of his responsibility since he creates the natures we cannot help but follow?

Any good human parent with God-like powers would insure the best end for his child if he had the power of a God. I know you and I would as part of our inclination to love and protect our children.

If God does not, does that make man more responsible than God in terms of accepting responsibility for our children?

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God doesn't exist. But since you're looking for a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical god, my reply is that the god you speak of creates morality. Therefore, if he says no, then no. If yes, then yes. Contradictions and hypocrisy are irrelevant in that imaginary world where those who believe are content with "do as I say, but not as I do and 'because I said so'".

Well put.

Yes. A piss poor and immoral way to raise children.

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29-05-2013, 01:06 PM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 12:40 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(29-05-2013 12:36 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  For evil to grow all good people need do is nothing.

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Well, thanks for the non-answer.

It is the best answer I can give you. It is unfortunate that you do not understand the concept of not fighting evil and that if you do not, it will grow.

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29-05-2013, 02:27 PM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
Didn't god create Adam first in his own image, if they were androgynous then Adam would have been as well. Fuck, why am I even arguing about the Genesis creation fairytale. Bullshit made up story 1 me 0.
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29-05-2013, 02:44 PM
 
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
It depends on how you define God. If God is the Divine Source, and if it created us to be its mirrors, then no, it can create or destroy however it sees fit. The flip side of that is, however, that anything we experience God experiences. If he sends us to hell, He goes to hell with us.
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29-05-2013, 04:13 PM
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(29-05-2013 01:06 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(29-05-2013 12:40 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Well, thanks for the non-answer.

It is the best answer I can give you. It is unfortunate that you do not understand the concept of not fighting evil and that if you do not, it will grow.

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You fail to understand it doesn't have a point since there is no defined answer to what billions at this stage believe.

But we know you love connections between anything.

Most gods in scriptures don't demonstrate what people today would call moral responsibility to their children. Yet many believe their idea of God does...

All you're asking is, is God benevolent which means diddly to many atheists. What people believe is different across perspective, why ask it about generic term God.

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30-05-2013, 01:13 AM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
Does the flying spaghetti monster have a moral responsibility to all the noodles in the world is a more relevant question.

No wait, it's not. They are both imaginary.

And fighting an imaginary evil is just silly.
I might as well be dressed in full armor in my front yard swinging a sword at the dragon attacking my house.
"If I don't fight it, it will lay eggs and the evil dragon hoard will rule this land forever."

Insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
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30-05-2013, 06:33 AM
RE: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
(29-05-2013 02:27 PM)devilsadvoc8 Wrote:  Didn't god create Adam first in his own image, if they were androgynous then Adam would have been as well. Fuck, why am I even arguing about the Genesis creation fairytale. Bullshit made up story 1 me 0.

You, like most Christians, forget Genesis one and Lillith.
Jewish tradition makes her the first woman and not compliant Eve created by men who prefer women to be slaves to us.

There is nothing wrong in discussing a myth that is believed to be true by many even as that belief causes a lot of harm.

FMPOV, you should discuss it more and not less so that some of the harm can be reduced.

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