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24-11-2016, 09:24 PM
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24-11-2016, 09:46 PM
Does a powerful computer search its maker?
(24-11-2016 05:17 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Computers don't care about a "maker"....

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25-11-2016, 12:27 AM
RE: Does a powerful computer search its maker?
(24-11-2016 09:20 PM)Dark Wanderer Wrote:  Yabut what does this have to do with 9/11 and the powerful/rich ruling men that control the world?

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25-11-2016, 07:44 AM
RE: Does a powerful computer search its maker?
(24-11-2016 02:01 PM)SYZ Wrote:  
(24-11-2016 12:57 PM)KerimF Wrote:  If someday an intelligent computer (likely as a robot) will be built not only to serve but to be served as well, this intelligent robot will surely look for its maker (or the intelligent side/team/company that let it exist) in order to know for sure how it could be served at best. [...]

Too many ifs, buts, and maybes in this lot I'm afraid. And if I haven't spent (wasted?) my time here on earth looking for my "maker", why then should an intelligent, self-aware robot I build spend any time looking for its maker?
Incidentally, the two people totally responsible for my "making" are both deceased, and their atomic structures now dispersed throughout the universe through rapid oxidation in a crematorium. Even if I were silly enough to look for them now, I'm never gonna find them.

So, from what you say, you simply know now that you were forced to exist in this space/time realm just to serve the world, in a way or another, during a long life I hope.
By the way, the embedded stimulus that helps the human living flesh to fulfil its role in life is 'selfishness' while looking to live its various natural pleasures, as much as possible.

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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25-11-2016, 08:20 AM
RE: Does a powerful computer search its maker?
(24-11-2016 04:36 PM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  
(24-11-2016 12:57 PM)KerimF Wrote:  Of course it doesn't.
Any of today’s computers (made with artificial intelligence or not) doesn’t need (or is supposed to) searching its maker.
The reason is simple. The purpose of making a computer is to let it serve only and not to be served. And the maker(s) of a computer have already embedded in it the functions that define all action/reaction rules for which it was built.

If someday an intelligent computer (likely as a robot) will be built not only to serve but to be served as well, this intelligent robot will surely look for its maker (or the intelligent side/team/company that let it exist) in order to know for sure how it could be served at best.


Sane mature humans are all made intelligent in order to serve the world, in a way or another (starting from creating rules). They do it by following their instincts; their embedded functions that let them know how to fulfil their various roles in life (while they are alive).

Only when a human being realizes, by himself, that the end (main/crucial) purpose of his existence is for him personally and not for the world or even for the Will/Power that created him, he automatically starts searching how he can let his given existence (temporary and in the realm limited by space/time) could serve him (while he is serving the world, of course).

I am afraid that since my English is not as good as of many here, a serious reader may need reading this post more than once, sorry. Then, when in doubt, he may like asking me to clarify certain expressions... by using others words for example.

But, as usual, it is okay for me if my post here will also stimulate many intelligent members and force them show me... some of their deep instincts Big Grin

I apologize on behalf of my fellow people here and their seemingly endless infatuation with cheese.

It is not surprising to me KerimF, that people seek out their origins, only that all of these origins had a different creator. Indeed with the installment of science, we banded together as a species in order find out our origins. Religion in the old times served as a means to fill the gap in our understanding of the universe so that they could feel connected to their origins. Now with science we have bridged a portion of that vast gap, I think that god is unnecessary in order for us to have a deeper and meaningful connection with the universe.

I like cheese... and everyone is free to tell me anything he likes. By the way, most fellow members here have already noticed the immune system I have in this respect. Naturally, they feel, since then, they are freer in replying/teasing/insulting me than doing it to anyone else Wink

I personally don't need to seek my origins because I am the end fruit of them.
So all answers I am looking for have to be residing somewhere 'in me' Wink and knowing the end purpose of my existence was one of them. To my big surprise, it wasn't about serving the world for which all survival living things were created (or made, if you like).

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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25-11-2016, 08:32 AM
RE: Does a powerful computer search its maker?
(24-11-2016 05:17 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Computers don't care about a "maker"....

Nor do I.
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Computers deal in hard numbers.

I like reality.

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A "creator" is simply a personification of a reality that small minds refuse to acknowledge...

The notion of a 'creator' is useless to any living thing that has only its instincts to follow. After all, its instincts were made to be enough in guiding it to better live its role for which it (the living thing) was made to exist.

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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25-11-2016, 08:44 AM
RE: Does a powerful computer search its maker?
(25-11-2016 08:32 AM)KerimF Wrote:  
(24-11-2016 05:17 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Computers don't care about a "maker"....

Nor do I.
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Computers deal in hard numbers.

I like reality.

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A "creator" is simply a personification of a reality that small minds refuse to acknowledge...

The notion of a 'creator' is useless to any living thing that has only its instincts to follow. After all, its instincts were made to be enough in guiding it to better live its role for which it (the living thing) was made to exist.

I think you underestimate the power of the brain, even in small animals like the rat, feel emotion, and elephants can paint... usually better than monkeys. While the Bonobo can communicate with us to some degree if we teach them sign language.
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25-11-2016, 08:50 AM
RE: Does a powerful computer search its maker?
(24-11-2016 09:20 PM)Dark Wanderer Wrote:  Yabut what does this have to do with 9/11 and the powerful/rich ruling men that control the world?

The inverse does.
When a person believes blindly other's stories just because they let him see evidences on his electrical monitors (on which anything can be shown), he finds hard believing himself... his personal observations and analyses... even about of what his being is made and for which purpose he was forced to exist Wink

Anyway, let's search for new stories and their solid evidences on our audio/video monitors... for example about the free democratic elections in the world Big Grin

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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25-11-2016, 09:09 AM
RE: Does a powerful computer search its maker?
(25-11-2016 08:44 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  
(25-11-2016 08:32 AM)KerimF Wrote:  The notion of a 'creator' is useless to any living thing that has only its instincts to follow. After all, its instincts were made to be enough in guiding it to better live its role for which it (the living thing) was made to exist.

I think you underestimate the power of the brain, even in small animals like the rat, feel emotion, and elephants can paint... usually better than monkeys. While the Bonobo can communicate with us to some degree if we teach them sign language.

Oh sorry, perhaps the word 'instincts' didn't reflect what I like saying.

Feeling emotion, as a reaction to a certain event, is also defined in being's instincts.
And doing uncommon actions, as 'elephants can paint', couldn't be achieved if it is not already allowed by the rules that define the being's structure and instincts.

About teaching, it is one of the roles which is guided by man's instincts and uses the human brain as the main tool.

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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25-11-2016, 09:59 AM
RE: Does a powerful computer search its maker?
(25-11-2016 08:32 AM)KerimF Wrote:  
(24-11-2016 05:17 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Computers don't care about a "maker"....

Nor do I.
.....

Computers deal in hard numbers.

I like reality.

....

A "creator" is simply a personification of a reality that small minds refuse to acknowledge...

The notion of a 'creator' is useless to any living thing that has only its instincts to follow. After all, its instincts were made to be enough in guiding it to better live its role for which it (the living thing) was made to exist.

The notion of "a creator" comes from the same place that Darth Vader, Bambi, and The Boogieman come from --- some person's imagination.......

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